Expedition has had a slightly larger 7 day drop off than Harvest

Your graph is showing a 20% increased 7 day drop and you're calling it slightly larger?

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j33bus wrote:

Your graph is showing a 20% increased 7 day drop and you're calling it slightly larger?

...yes.

How many industries have you worked in? If your best day is within 20% of your worst day (or quarter, or fiscal year, or whatever your measuring stick) you are called unbelievably and absurdly consistent everywhere else.

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Acolina87 wrote:

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Lordofthedreadz wrote:

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Acolina87 wrote:

You do realise that you would feel more fulfilled if you didnt compare shit right? Comparing poe's highest peak to it's lowest is pepega. Im not talking about the league itself but the buff/nerf ratio. Expedition is a great league. And HARVEST was the best one. For me at least.

Even without comparing it is utter stupidity to say that company will not cover costs. Even if the peak would stabilize to only 80K like this league this game would be highly profitable. Even with only 40K peak a game is profitable, there is a reason why 50K is in top 10 most played games on Steam. Can you tell me with a straight face that a game that is even on the top 20 in Steam charts is not making bank?

Wake up people, this game ain't dying anytime soon.

Who said anything about company costs? Go home you're drunk. It's obviously that game aint dying. That shows only steamcharts. Does not include stand alone client.

There are many "players" thats made poe their work, thats feeds from online numbers, and making money from it. They dont care about GGG's profits, ukow. They care about their own. If online dropping dramatically, they suffer.

Thats how you can spot a thing.
Yes, its prohibited in PoE.

But it explains those screams.

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innervation wrote:

Given that Harvest was the biggest power creep the game had ever seen

Mate, have you even played Harvest league?

This. THIS is why people quit Harvest in the first seven days.




Now show me all those plans made by professional demolition engineers for Expedition logbook farming to maximize rewards.

Wait there is none.

Cos Expedition is just an Abyss with extra steps. People are leaving because its boring as fuck

Plans from professional demolition engineers?!? I haven't had 1 Expedition map drop. I'll try in the weekend but if I had nothing then I'm out as well. They force you to buy it on poe trade for a minimum of 10 chaos. I'm just a casual gamer, I love looking and experiencing new content but you just can't do that now... I can run Heists and Delve to my hearts desire but I can't for the life of me get a hold of a single expedition map. So I have to decide to drop the game or start botting

Peak Players
Last 30 Days 116,106

April 2021 155,138


Its just the steam charts, but a difference of 40.000 players in the peak is concerning to me.


And no, you cant call a 20% LARGER dropoff "sligthy".
Harvest was already viewed as terrible regarding the retention, now expedition is doing worse and people still do the "this is fine" move.


just read trough the forum, even on reddit: unsatisfied posts everywhere. and I dont talk about "yo games shit i leave" nonsense but dedicated posts partially from long time players.

PoE will not "die". It will go the same way as WoW does. It will be played out of habit.

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Acolina87 wrote:

You do realise that you would feel more fulfilled if you didnt compare shit right? Comparing poe's highest peak to it's lowest is pepega. Im not talking about the league itself but the buff/nerf ratio. Expedition is a great league. And HARVEST was the best one. For me at least.

Harvest was the league I enjoyed the most and I am very glad that I played it for almost whole 3 months of it (also fot my only 40/40).

Current league is so underwhelming and borring, week2 of the league and I am barely in act5, it's super borring. And when I read that it gets worse and worse once you reach yellow/red maps.. doesn't give any motivation to keep playing.

PoE for me was this fast paced action filled game with a lot of creativity involved, but now.. it's becoming just another slow mainstream arpg, which doesn't stand out from other games in any way. This new itteration of PoE has no hope to compete with Diablo4.

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innervation wrote:

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j33bus wrote:

Your graph is showing a 20% increased 7 day drop and you're calling it slightly larger?

...yes.

How many industries have you worked in? If your best day is within 20% of your worst day (or quarter, or fiscal year, or whatever your measuring stick) you are called unbelievably and absurdly consistent everywhere else.

Harvest is one of the worse retention ones, their worst day is 20% worse than their next worst day.

This is one of the best leagues theyve done, however many arent playing simply on the premise of false information being spread by dooms-day-preppers (AKA subreddits and forum users). Soo much negativity, funny enough those "top posters" and "upvoted" posts are people not even playing the game, yet commenting on the "state of the game".

Reddit is absolutely terrible and is nothing more than an echo chamber of negativity in which an overly vocal minority believes themselves to be the majority.

Not only is this one of the most mechanical leagues theyve done, its also one of the most difficult. So when anyone comments for this league after i will be inclined to ask "did you play during Expedition league?", if not im going to immediately invalidate anything you say.

Skill gems nerfed, support gems, nerfed, base mechanics, nerfed. Most things were nerfed and the only things that werent really nerfed were the things already at the top end.

On top of those nerfs, monsters life/armour hasnt been adjusted to compensate. Aside from the Goats change (which had to change, melee literally one-shot themselves on Molten Shells it was clearly overscaled), all monsters have actually gotten stronger. Why ? Because all base skill gems were buffed, monsters use skill gems.

So not only in addition to us getting nerfed, monsters also got buffed and many of their buffs over the years havent been adjusted for. Essentially a "triple player nerf".

In addition to this, Empowers in expedition have easily the most ridiculous modifiers ever seen in any league. 100% crit chance, 100% physical overwhelm, inherent chance to freeze/shock/ignite, no flask charges, stackable block/evade chance and stackable damage reductions. The modifiers are fucking bonkers.

On top of this Harvest Easy Mode was removed from the map device, ironically enough i dont see people complaining about that which makes no sense to me. No Harvest has slowed my progression down by 80%~ easily. By this same point in time in Ultimatum League i had a fairly well geared trapper and probably around 30~ Exalts in raw currency. Thats not the case at all this league, my item upgrades have been painfully slow, thats honestly all due to the fact that Harvest isnt as accessible as it was last league. That shit really was Easy Mode. Maybe its more accurate to say this league was a "Quadruple nerf" because of the fact that bob the item builder mode was essentially taken out by forcing it to spawn only via Atlas allocated points and its base spawn rate.

Anyways, people are missing out on an excellent, actually challenging, rewarding league. Logbooks are insane, ROG is insane, Tujen is really great, the entire league was a great addition to the game. People are just too easily influenced by other people to play it themselves and have fun.

Seems like people dont care about having fun, they care about farming the same dumb shit as the same braindead meta build every league. All for what ? To look at items that will rot in standard league that theyll likely never use again. lol these fucking zoomers dont know what "fun" is, is their problem.

The game was built on having fun via being inventive and overcoming extreme obstacles and odds. If this patch is enough to make people quit then you probably never liked Path of Exile to begin with.

well, i'm playing this league and I cant say that i could see lots of fun in it

the league mechanic itself is pretty ok(around 3.5/4 out of 5)

BUT

the balance in this league is pure garbage, early red maps were pure pain and torture even with meta build

rip all casuals and new players, ggg forcing us out of the game

rip fun builds, playing them atm is kinda close to masochism

rip the respect of the time of solo semi-casuals, who play 2-3 hours after work

3.13 was a perfect league for me, current state of poe is VERY frustrating for me...

I thought 3.14 was bad, but 3.15 showed me that it could be worse


I really hope 3.16 gonna be different...