Chris addressing Reddit, elaborating on manifesto.

To all the players who say 'no wonder GGG won't say anything because players are so negative'... just stop. You know they need to respond, and they need to respond because the players are looking at and calling out nerfs of a scale that even the 'let's try and do self-surgery on this big red pumping thing' team in GGG has not done before.

There are many impactful statements GGG has made recently, but perhaps the most impactful for me are: that PoE 2 cannot help but succeed,... and the nerfs are *nowhere near* as bad as Marvel Heroes. Others will take away what they will, from many different things said, and no doubt someone will claim I'm rebranding the statements to suit some agenda (yada yada, internet arguments don't have many flavours).

I'm not sure I hope GGG or Chris are right, as the game as presented... Seems set to return the 'grit your teeth and hope it fucking improves' gameplay 2.0 brought in. Oh lookie nostalgia let's rub hands with glee over how many million deaths per day Malachai gave us. Not to mention the 'beta test slow everything' approach which was ok when everyone still had recent and fond memories of D2. Perhaps players now don't.

*shrug* many more games out there

Game will actually be somewhat hard and people are crying.

The game has become a joke of league mechanics and easy currency.

They didn't nerf enough.


People clear nearly all the content in 2 weeks, now it might take longer and drops might mean something and people are upset.

I agree they contradict themselves with added features like AWA gems, and yes getting to this point is all on them but WANTING them to not change is just as much as a mistake.

Do it now, hard and fast. Then actually think about what you're adding to the game making it absurdly easy, no need to trade etc before making players feel entitled and spoiled.

If they had just powercreeped or remained slower from the start we wouldn't be @ this loot and crafting circus.

We wouldn't have needed so many stupid one-shot mechanics to try curb it. Or rely on stupid things like how easy it is to be immune to nearly everything.

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poeGT wrote:

Game will actually be somewhat hard and people are crying.

The game has become a joke of league mechanics and easy currency.

They didn't nerf enough.


People clear nearly all the content in 2 weeks, now it might take longer and drops might mean something and people are upset.

Lol... when have drops ever meant anything in this game? I can count on 1 hand the amount of items that have dropped for me, and been an upgrade on what I've already had to buy (ignoring the acts).

If you actually take the time to read, most of the constructive (not raging posts) don't mind the damage nerfs, don't mind making things more difficult. What's sh1t is the mana multipliers making mana flasks mandatory, and in some cases a 6 link with the desired gems not being plausible. That is terrible, terrible design. Continued removal of all chase items so that really only hh is left.

Weak end game, lazy leagues as their resource is clearly on poe2, poor performance, atrocious loot drops, splinters and shards, needless protracted atlas grind, gambling labelled as crafting, I could go on and on.

When even the streamers such as Zizaran, Ghazzy, etc, all have issues with how GGG are going about things, you know its bad. Ziz in particular loves nerf and meta shake ups, but in his recent video he provisionally calls these the worst patch notes ever.

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IcedInferno007 wrote:

Lol... when have drops ever meant anything in this game? I can count on 1 hand the amount of items that have dropped for me, and been an upgrade on what I've already had to buy (ignoring the acts).

You won't believe this:

In order for you to be able to buy them, those items have to drop for someone.

Shocking, I know.

The fact that aurabots were not touched falls in line with ggg employees sharing inside info with the guilds they're in to corner the market in past leagues.

Just look up the + 3 staff/bows fiasco a couple of years back.

The fact that chris has the nerve to come out and say "we didn't touch aurabots because we had other stuff to nerf not because neon plays one" is the bullshitiest move ever.

How ppl could be so naive it just baffles me.
It's all a pile of lies, and it's not a precedent.

Wouldn't be it much easier for everyone, if a week or two before the patch notes there was a manifesto, stating something like:

"Hello fellow players. PoE2 is just around the corner, and we need to care about gameplay speed and power creep, accumulated over years of development.

PoE2 is supposed to be a kind of "fresh start" - way slower, harder and challenging, and nearly power creep-free. It'll not only help us as a company giving us room for power creep implementation over the process of development, but will also bring the feeling of a "brand new game" to our players - the way it was in the beginning of our journey.

It's impossible with the current state of PoE1, as there'll be a glaring discrepancy between performance of the co-existing versions of the game."


Simple as that. And I'm fairly sure It'd be better accepted by the comunity.
The other way around is treating ppl like fools, as is. In this case, don't be surprised with the backlash, when it bites you up the ass.

Didn't care about player concurrency? No jokes?...

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They just now figuring that out? Their hands have been tied all this time, and now they are FREEEEE. How brave that they have overcome that massive amount of player pressure that forced them to evolve the game in a direction that made them, and all their players unhappy. the numbers from the time they opened the game until now , most certainly show how unhappy everyone was.

I am sorry. I am sorry to the players for liking the evolution of the game , and causing such unhappiness to reign down upon you. I am sorry to the devs, for liking the game and forcing them down this road of unhappiness. I can't imagine how miserable they must have been these last 10 years.

the fact that morhaim, one of the founders of blizzard, left the company and made his own, that alone should already be a big sign, the fact that every single puplicly known person left the company should be a fact aswell, let alone all the unkonw faces, the fact that for some years there has been a massive abuse of employees and is now officaly investigated by the federals, but you keep telling yourself the game/company did great with your sarcastic comments, must be a reason why a game with once multi million players in its peak now has less than 1 million. and more people leaveing everyday, employees and players alike. but as you seem to like blizzard so much, maybe wow or diablo is the better game for you, have fun there friendo

So basically this is because of POE 2.

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Terspet wrote:

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They just now figuring that out? Their hands have been tied all this time, and now they are FREEEEE. How brave that they have overcome that massive amount of player pressure that forced them to evolve the game in a direction that made them, and all their players unhappy. the numbers from the time they opened the game until now , most certainly show how unhappy everyone was.

I am sorry. I am sorry to the players for liking the evolution of the game , and causing such unhappiness to reign down upon you. I am sorry to the devs, for liking the game and forcing them down this road of unhappiness. I can't imagine how miserable they must have been these last 10 years.

the fact that morhaim, one of the founders of blizzard, left the company and made his own, that alone should already be a big sign, the fact that every single puplicly known person left the company should be a fact aswell, let alone all the unkonw faces, the fact that for some years there has been a massive abuse of employees and is now officaly investigated by the federals, but you keep telling yourself the game/company did great with your sarcastic comments, must be a reason why a game with once multi million players in its peak now has less than 1 million. and more people leaveing everyday, employees and players alike. but as you seem to like blizzard so much, maybe wow or diablo is the better game for you, have fun there friendo

WTF does this have to do with Blizzard? Who was it that had their knee on GGG's neck forcing them to get where we are today? Why are we even here when this is not ever what they wanted , and yet had total control over the game since it's inception.

Look homey, what is done is done, the future is poe2 for both games, and i support that, even though it's not for me. look at my posts the last week or so , but damn man, this was all their doing , and then do have the gaul to say we are unhappy and not having fun, and they are here to save us and themselves is just infuriating when they were in the drivers seat the entire time. A lot of people were having fun , look at the numbers, they could have stopped the power creep at anytime, yet here we are. Maybe you should be less worried about what I didn't learn from Blizzard , and be more concerned with what GGG didn't learn from them, because no matter who's fault you think it is the players or the devs , the end result is still the same. No matter what decision a game makes, there are going to be winners and losers. The people who feel loss are going to voice their frustrations. Soon they will be gone though (for the better I assume you believe) and everyone left gets a fresh start.

Enjoy yourself , but stay vigilant or you will be right back here in 2 years fighting this fight all over again. Maybe you should save your Blizzardness to a text file somewhere, just in case you forget the details. Send a copy to GGG also , because unless they got us here on purpose, maybe they can learn from you as well.

Be at peace man , and thank you for letting me rant. I hope the game becomes a blockbuster, and I am not being sarcastic.

Game will be more fun without harvest, cool and neat bonuses on awakened support gems and alternate quality gems and interesting and powerful atlas passive skill points. Riiiiiiight. Tell me more Chris, please.

It didn't sound like you were so unhappy when you excitedly and knowingly introduced a game shattering mechanic like harvest then butcher it all to hell. Constant beta test it is I guess but I don't believe him anymore.