Standard vs trade league

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yamface wrote:

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brunowa wrote:

You forget that you can sell things too.

Sure, prices are more expensive in Standard. But you make more money too. Find a R/A Life? Sell it for 15ex.

Find a R/A life in league? you only get 2ex... I'm sorry for your loss mate.

The economy plays out exactly the same based on supply and demand.

No.. the supply/demand isn't similar at all.

In league I can take 5 minutes selling 1 challenge to a full party and get 20ex, then buy 10 crafts with that money because.. you know.. the crafts are only 2ex.

In standard if you want 10 crafts like that, youre fucked. Standard econ for currency is a buyer's market, but harvest crafting is a sellers market because it's "new" and there's no good way to pile more than 10 crafts.

You're missing the point. In Standard we can also sell a "challenge" like an invitation or a fragment set to a full party and make more money for crafts.

The point is (and answering the OPs original question/concern), is that the Standard economy is totally fine. You do realise a good portion of the playerbase actually plays Standard and noone complains about it. It is literally only league players that complain about it.

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brunowa wrote:

You're missing the point. In Standard we can also sell a "challenge" like an invitation or a fragment set to a full party and make more money for crafts.

The point is (and answering the OPs original question/concern), is that the Standard economy is totally fine. You do realise a good portion of the playerbase actually plays Standard and noone complains about it. It is literally only league players that complain about it.

No. No you can't. First of all there is no such thing as making money as a boss killer in standard. Most boss killers I see do this for free. And even if they charged money, you need to charge a full party 30ex per player if you want 10 of those so called 15ex crafts. Nobody is stupid enough to pay that much just for a boss kill.

The reason why this works in a challenge league is because there a couple challenges that are hard, and completing them gives seasonal rewards, so people are willing to give 4-5ex for the harder challenges and it makes sense.

And secondly, no one in standard complains about standard -- well duh.. if they didn't like it they'd be playing challenge league instead. Last I've seen from chris in a podcast, standard players are only 15% of the playerbase. It's unpopular for a reason.

Again, you're harping on about selling a challenge because it's something only available in League. It doesn't matter.

OP is asking whether Standard is fine to play with good trade and not a cemetary. I am telling him and telling you and anyone reading this that it is perfectly fine.

As you say, 15% - 25% of the total playerbase play Standard so it's a significant portion and within that there is a heck of a lot of players... so in going back to the original point of this thread, is that Standard is fine to play on.

I love how league elitists like you always come in to try spit on Standard... like it's going to sway our opinion or something. We play standard because we love to continue to build out our characters over a longer period of time and not have to start from scratch. It's pretty simple mate.

Standard is fine and suits some people a lot better than league.

Actually I understand both points of view.

In challenge league you are tied to a time, and that’s why both, the economy doesn’t have time to grow and ppl are willing to pay for challenges before the league ends.
So in standard, you have a lot more time to make currency.
What I don’t understand is why there is a “fever” for currency making. The gap between casual players and experts is too big and that leaves most of the playerbase barely getting to Sirus 8 while there is a minority with over 20 mirrors done in 3 months, what they probably never even move to the standard currency tab (what I could do with some of those mirrors lol).

That’s why in my case, if I don’t have at least 3-4 hours each day to play, I rather stay in standard doing Sirus a9 and Maven than play a league where Max I can achieve is getting to red maps with a starting build.
The challenge league is awesome, and that keeps so many ppl coming back to the game and spending €€ in MTX. But there is too much content for the casual players and those with a few hours per week to play can only dream to achieve 36 points.

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brunowa wrote:

Again, you're harping on about selling a challenge because it's something only available in League. It doesn't matter.

OP is asking whether Standard is fine to play with good trade and not a cemetary. I am telling him and telling you and anyone reading this that it is perfectly fine.

As you say, 15% - 25% of the total playerbase play Standard so it's a significant portion and within that there is a heck of a lot of players... so in going back to the original point of this thread, is that Standard is fine to play on.

I love how league elitists like you always come in to try spit on Standard... like it's going to sway our opinion or something. We play standard because we love to continue to build out our characters over a longer period of time and not have to start from scratch. It's pretty simple mate.

I'm "harping" on the challenge selling because you think you can do the same thing in standard. You can't end of story. The problem with people like you is you think you can simply make up shit and get away with it. And the -second- someone calls you out for it, you cry "elitist". It's like I'm arguing with a spoiled baby that only wants it their way or else they start crying...

I'm not here to sway you. You, I don't care about. I'm here to sway the op. It's why he made this thread. Fuck me for being actually realistic about the situation instead of being delusional.

Standard league is fantastic... Much better than having to slave your way through all those labrynths etc again!

standard is better than league, less buggy mechanics to test.

i only play league if its a crafting league, good challenge rewards or if its a fun mechanic

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yamface wrote:

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brunowa wrote:

Again, you're harping on about selling a challenge because it's something only available in League. It doesn't matter.

OP is asking whether Standard is fine to play with good trade and not a cemetary. I am telling him and telling you and anyone reading this that it is perfectly fine.

As you say, 15% - 25% of the total playerbase play Standard so it's a significant portion and within that there is a heck of a lot of players... so in going back to the original point of this thread, is that Standard is fine to play on.

I love how league elitists like you always come in to try spit on Standard... like it's going to sway our opinion or something. We play standard because we love to continue to build out our characters over a longer period of time and not have to start from scratch. It's pretty simple mate.

I'm "harping" on the challenge selling because you think you can do the same thing in standard. You can't end of story. The problem with people like you is you think you can simply make up shit and get away with it. And the -second- someone calls you out for it, you cry "elitist". It's like I'm arguing with a spoiled baby that only wants it their way or else they start crying...

I'm not here to sway you. You, I don't care about. I'm here to sway the op. It's why he made this thread. Fuck me for being actually realistic about the situation instead of being delusional.

No. Now you're making shit up.

I said in standard you can sell boss fights just like you can sell challenges that's not making something up.

Sure, it happens less, but there have been loads of players selling maven and feared fights this league as an example.

And ofcourse you're not going to get 30ex per player and a 6 man carry to try cover the cost of 10 crafts. Your whole argument is based on this one example you gave. I am saying it's irrelvant. The economies are different with different supply and demand. There is less demand for boss fights, as you say.

In Standard, you can sell a Mavens Orb for 40ex and get 10 - 50 crafts of your choosing. I could base my whole argument on this... and what can you do in League? Ok.. you can sell a Mavens for 12ex and get 6 R/A life crafts. Cool story bro. No one cares and your point is not valid in this whole thread.

It seems like I touched a nerve with you. It's just pixels you're reading mate.. amazing how it can hit your heart.

As I mentioned at the very start (before you took this thread on a tangent), the standard economy works just like all other economies... Supply and demand.

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brunowa wrote:

No. Now you're making shit up.

I said in standard you can sell boss fights just like you can sell challenges that's not making something up.

Sure, it happens less, but there have been loads of players selling maven and feared fights this league as an example.

And ofcourse you're not going to get 30ex per player and a 6 man carry to try cover the cost of 10 crafts. Your whole argument is based on this one example you gave. I am saying it's irrelvant. The economies are different with different supply and demand. There is less demand for boss fights, as you say.

In Standard, you can sell a Mavens Orb for 40ex and get 10 - 50 crafts of your choosing. I could base my whole argument on this... and what can you do in League? Ok.. you can sell a Mavens for 12ex and get 6 R/A life crafts. Cool story bro. No one cares and your point is not valid in this whole thread.

It seems like I touched a nerve with you. It's just pixels you're reading mate.. amazing how it can hit your heart.

As I mentioned at the very start (before you took this thread on a tangent), the standard economy works just like all other economies... Supply and demand.

Did this guy just say how it "hit my heart" when he was just crying about elitism a second ago?

Let's get something straight. There's nothing about this that "hits my heart". I simply don't enjoy reading through these trash quality posts.

Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about: you said you sell a maven orb for 40 ex and then buy 10-50 crafts? How the fuck do you buy that many when they're 15ex.. it's like you just can't stop pulling shit out of your ass.

There are 8 leagues in this game, the only 2 that I don't play are challenge sc ssf and standard ssf. I play everything else. Yes that includes standard, so stop being a crybaby about this. It just happens that I have a view on most leagues in this game that you quite frankly do not.

For an average casual player, finding exalts naturally is a large portion of their wealth. I played ritual for 1 week. In that week, I found 2 exalts off the ground, 1 from cadiro, 1 from the ritual rewards, and a 5 stack from ritual rewards. For the casual player, this is a huge part of their wealth and they can use these to buy legitimately good items in challenge league. In standard all of this is trash. You have maybe 10% of the needed money to buy the same items. This doesn't even fucking buy 1 harvest craft in standard.