Is PoE the only game where people flock to it then try to change it at its core?

And accuse it of being shit if it isn't changed to suit them.

If anything, GGG ignored 90% of our feedbacks anyway especially the league mechanics and QoLs.

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innervation wrote:

And accuse it of being shit if it isn't changed to suit them.

now-a-days? i don't think it is, unfortunately

maybe that attitude would change some if it actually cost money to play? probably not.

IMO its become a problem how transparent GGG likes to be with their plans and such. they need to act more blunt and direct to the playerbase. make changes you want, don't explain them or reasoning behind it, just do it. manifestos should no longer be a thing. just outline the changes in patch notes. quick like a band-aid

are you referring to the harvest nerf? because none of US changed the game to include harvest, GGG did

Take a trip back in time to what this game was before these bombastic mega-leagues and daily released MTX became a thing, and tell me with a straight face that POE hasn't changed at it's core.

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xMustard wrote:

IMO its become a problem how transparent GGG likes to be with their plans and such. they need to act more blunt and direct to the playerbase. make changes you want, don't explain them or reasoning behind it, just do it. manifestos should no longer be a thing. just outline the changes in patch notes. quick like a band-aid

completely agree with this, it gives the worst kind of players the belief they have advocacy when they don't and frankly I think it encourages this kind of throwing the toys out of the pram style tantrum at the slightest change.

It'd help if actual moderation occurs too though there7 is a great deal of sensationalist trolling that goes on sadly

It's not. People do that in most of the games I play. They even do it in Minecraft. Any game forum with "suggestions" is going to draw people who like to think that they could change things for the better.

Nah I played D3 since release and what a shit storm of commentary. I loved it but whatever. this commentary continued until they made game BoA which I thought stupid and came here.

Whats funny is how you change over time. I loved the trade game esp when real cash was involved like at D3 AH now all I play is BoA. But then again this game changed a lot to accommodate that play style. Remember when you couldnt even sustain maps?

no OP that is basically every single thing, its the difference between hobbyists and mass market as soon as something goes mass market it will be leveraged to that purpose. Not just in video games in practically everything.

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Lwe1389 wrote:

are you referring to the harvest nerf? because none of US changed the game to include harvest, GGG did

Exp penalty on death
Time it takes to get to lvl 100
The fact that we have to identify items at all
Game is too grindy
Linking system sucks
Chrom system sucks
Itemization sucks
Picking up items is too hard
Randomness sucks
Leveling characters sucks / takes too long / too grindy
Map sustain sucks

I'm talking about actual core elements of what makes PoE PoE. I get we're always going to have topics like X skill is OP or X boss is too hard but I don't ever remember in my history of being on video game forums another game in which there was so much complaining about the core unique identity of the game.

Like you didn't see people in League of Legends asking for the entire jungle to be removed or for Starcraft players saying that having 'good APM is too rewarding, can we automate some of this stuff?' Seems absurd but that's what I've been seeing more and more of here lately.

Harvest is I guess the newest example, like PoE has always been about randomness idk why people are putting on their surprised pikachu masks when Chris says what he said in the manifesto. I'm honestly surprised they're being as generous as they are with what they're leaving in.

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/m3c8km/i_wish_people_would_try_to_keep_themselves/

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Harvest will still be extremely powerful next patch. Do people not know you can still 100% guarantee craft Explody chest using Harvest next league? or +2 to all skill gems amulets? Or +1 additional curse chest? Or %ES on block shields, these are just a couple examples. Yes these are all influenced items, but you can still use Harvest crafts to 100% guarantee them, you never needed Augment to do it, that was just the most common way.

But even if you didn't know about this method, there's still a ton of extremely powerful Harvest crafts that are unchanged. Making insane weapons is still the same for a ton of builds, like 2H slam skills. Cus fracturing is still exactly the same, and fracturing is completely nuts, and not just for weapons. Fracturing Essence mods (like Horror/Delirium/etc, any Deafening mod that's good for your build), fracturing so many incursion mods, delve mods (like curse on hit rings, or fire leech on hit jewellery)

in fact some of these things are buffed (or might be, depends on atlas tree changes) considering we'll see them close to 60% more often in maps.

These are just a few, there's plenty of other really useful/powerful harvest crafts like adding influence to items, changing resists (don't forget this works on the Incursion mods too, so like +(46–48)% to Lightning Resistance, (40–60)% increased Critical Strike Chance against Shocked Enemies can change to +(46–48)% to Cold Resistance (30–50)% increased Damage with Hits against Chilled Enemies) same with the Leech+Resist mods too.

Those are just a few examples of things still possible but now people want to act like GGG is betraying them for the simple act of only breaking their longstanding principles by 500% instead of the 50,000% that Ritual-Harvest represented.

But if you view the feedback forum regularly which I do you will see that people ask for all kinds of things that would make PoE no longer PoE it's fucking weird and I can't really figure it out.

Edit: someone linked a twitch clip from Mathil yesterday where he was responding to someone in his chat accusing him of holding his opinions only because he's an elitist/streamer/power gamer and hes like "wtf are you playing this game for? You knew what you were getting when you signed up. It's hard. It's grindy. It's random. Wanting the game to retain those things has nothing to do with being 'in the 1%' or a streamer." Something like that.