Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

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Mark__75 wrote:

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AltairLT wrote:

First time since 1.0 launch I felt comfortable crafting items, because I had some kind of control over it and now... Might as well get back to chaos spam.

Chris prefers when you like gambling and he believes this is good for you. Something called "crafting", where you spend a currency and cannot foresee any predictable result is nothing more than a gambling.
Wiki:
"Gambling (...) is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome, with the primary intent of winning money or material goods. Gambling thus requires three elements to be present: consideration (an amount wagered), risk (chance), and a prize."
- Does not this fit perfectly to a "crafting" proposed by GGG?
The definition above sounds entirely different to the CRAFTING idea, where you take some actions to create something specific you want in a planned way, where you need knowledge, skills and suitable ingredients.

Slamming exalts and annulments is a kind of lottery - you throw the game currency in and then you can win, but in most cases you wont. I don't enjoy it. Most of people don't.

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Anointedone wrote:

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Harvest should not allow targetable influence crafting. DON'T remove the tags and add tags to those influence mods that had them removed but prevent harvest from rolling influence mods with augment and remove/add crafts.
This fixes the issues GGG has with the system. Fossils would be required for initially targeting one or multiple influence mods on an item including for the purpose of maven orb crafting. Exalts would be required for attempting to 'fix' maven orbs removing one of the desirable influence mods on an item in high end crafting.
The more 'basic' mod pool should be targetable with harvest crafting while retaining the risk of targeting influence mods with annuls or remove/add crafts. This gives a greater layer of difficulty when crafting top tier items but allows players to craft their basic non-influence stats to make their build function on a basic level.


Maven orb has a function? Check
High end items are more difficult to craft? Check
Basic leveling and early endgame items can be crafted? Check
Harvest remains relevant and powerful? Check
Exalts have a function? Check
Fossils have a function? Check
Fun? Check


Oh and of course:
REMOVE SPLIT BEASTS!

The only thing that isn't accurate about your post is "High end items are more difficult to craft".

What most people, including GGG don't seem to understand is: even with Harvest crafting, high end items WERE extremely difficult to craft. Harvest just made them a bit more reasonable down from downright impossible. I encourage everyone INCLUDING GGG to watch Pathofmaths video on the statistics of making items before and after. Sadly, GGG is so disconnected from their player base, they probably don't even know who he his.

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xXGonzo wrote:

It's been a couple days, just posting to say that I still strongly disagree with these changes. Ritual league has been the best league you guys have implemented(in my opinion). I have used every crafting system at my disposal from fossils, to essences, alt/aug spam, and of course harvest to create a set of gear that I am proud of. Knowing that I crafted it all myself and didn't have to purchase a single piece has been the most enjoyable part of this league for me. These changes you're planning on making to harvest will severely diminish my enjoyment. I don't want to go back to stash tabs full of fossils, and mediocre multimodded items flooding poe trade. For the first time since I started playing poe I feel like I can play any build I want to, and explore the amazing skill tree you guys have created. This harvest nerf is only going to neuter the enjoyment for your semi casual player base. I don't have 6+ hours a day to dedicate playing....