Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

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Dspayre wrote:

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MrWonderful99 wrote:

Back to the real issue that only a handful of players understand or care about. Having the crafts tradable (on Discord) is the problem. Heck, take out Harvest craft trading and problem solved and no rework is needed....I am certain GGG staff played WOW - just make the crafted pieces soul bound to the account.

Easy....come on man...I have read many of the comments in this post. GGG (Chris) needs to rethink this bad decision because it is only OP because of trading.

And here is the real source of the problem revealed. Trading harvest crafts on Discord.

The proposed nerfs pound the symptoms in to the ground, in an lazy, heavy handed slap to the majority of the players, without addressing the core problem at all.

By addressing the trading of Harvest crafts, they could have solved the problem and the symptoms, without unnecessarily harming most players.

We all know GGG is throwing a lame excuse here. Their real intentions are, "we don't want people to be as successful in the endgame", the reason behind that is "we want a bigger player retention".
Well, let me tell you this, if you gonna bomb Harvest mechanics as they're right now, you just not gonna augment your player retention but less players will join the following leagues, so this clearly gonna backfire you guys at GGG...
And not just because you gonna have less players in the game but because people gonna buy less MTX since you gonna narrow the possible builds to reach endgame, which let me tell you that, they're already SUPER NARROW if you look at the amount of used builds compared to the existing skills...

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Rene_2706 wrote:

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Dspayre wrote:

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MrWonderful99 wrote:

Back to the real issue that only a handful of players understand or care about. Having the crafts tradable (on Discord) is the problem. Heck, take out Harvest craft trading and problem solved and no rework is needed....I am certain GGG staff played WOW - just make the crafted pieces soul bound to the account.

Easy....come on man...I have read many of the comments in this post. GGG (Chris) needs to rethink this bad decision because it is only OP because of trading.

And here is the real source of the problem revealed. Trading harvest crafts on Discord.

The proposed nerfs pound the symptoms in to the ground, in an lazy, heavy handed slap to the majority of the players, without addressing the core problem at all.

By addressing the trading of Harvest crafts, they could have solved the problem and the symptoms, without unnecessarily harming most players.

Fun fact, people will still be using tft after this changes..

As I said...

It's good that GGG isn't just after the biggest player base they can get, like blizzard for example, because that would lead them to make decisions which would make the game more to something they never intended to.
They've never done what most players tell them and in my eyes that's part of their success.
They envision the game to be something to work for and put lots of time in to achieve anything.
Harvest is a big shortcut and most people who complain here don't even appreciate the short glimpse of power we were given with it.
But well, game will get hard again many noobs leave and game is still good.

r/pathofexile

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ThorArise wrote:

It's good that GGG isn't just after the biggest player base they can get, like blizzard for example, because that would lead them to make decisions which would make the game more to something they never intended to.
They've never done what most players tell them and in my eyes that's part of their success.
They envision the game to be something to work for and put lots of time in to achieve anything.
Harvest is a big shortcut and most people who complain here don't even appreciate the short glimpse of power we were given with it.
But well, game will get hard again many noobs leave and game is still good.

Lold this comment made me chuckle. Yeah, because forcing all the players into playing the 3-4 OP builds of the moment is not a cater to the noobs. The irony on some people is preposterous, they play the lame noob build of the moment and think they're "pro". Look how pro I am zoom zooming the game with my Necro or my BV Assassin, It's simply hilarious xDD

Also, how delusional must someone be thinking the noobs can afford the godlike items created at Harvest, hilarious x2...

400 pages baby lets goooo

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ThorArise wrote:

It's good that GGG isn't just after the biggest player base they can get, like blizzard for example, because that would lead them to make decisions which would make the game more to something they never intended to.
They've never done what most players tell them and in my eyes that's part of their success.
They envision the game to be something to work for and put lots of time in to achieve anything.
Harvest is a big shortcut and most people who complain here don't even appreciate the short glimpse of power we were given with it.
But well, the game will get hard again many noobs leave and the game is still good.

Well, GGG was up to date with their game from beta and some leagues forward. Now they telling people still use exalt with their eyes closed, it shows how much they are unaware of how players playing this game. They chashed out to Tencent, so no wonder Chris and few others don't care that much anymore. Yet they still make insane content, what I mean a lot of content.

If you remember very very old days when it was almost impossible to have cap resist till the end of the final act with any first char. And now so easy. The game will never be that hard anymore, stop calling it hard. What harvest does it just save time in the late game. Harvest needed some nerf, personally myself I hate that most players just ran hamlet zone with zana mission, but it seems they are fine with this abuse and instead nerf to the ground actually system which requires work unless you use discord harvest, which also can be dealt with if they wanna. There are many great solutions, like make exalt price for annulment and so on, there are multiple ways. They choose the wrong one. You think GGG is right? In the past, especially in the early game GGG listened most of any company, they asked Krip in the beta how to do certain things, etc and you say they know how to do it? They know based on feedback. So they have find middle ground here, that's why they removed this post from the news, cause another one will come in some time, hopefully with middle-ground balance.

why people recommend remove harvest from trade... not everyone play ssf or like play this way a game should give some freedom to players decide how they like play

if harvest is too op just get some craft and add to other league mechanics (there are plenty)
without harvest people will just go back to use builds with many uniques/ the 3-4 meta builds, and i am sure a lot will quit league earlier the harvest itself make me play more 3-4 weeks trying min max to get 5% dmg u dont really need do to the bosses but is a fun objetive

400 GET

Yep.. was expecting this CRAP!!!

Thanks GGG, we can always count on you to take away all the fun in the game - you know, this is not a job, someone shouldn't have to play 8h/day to be able to have a mid tier build that can do a decent end-game.

Can't wait for the new "balance" to MOM builds, we know it's coming, it's just to fun and can do end game on a decent budget so yeah you need to "balance" the shit out of it so we can have the opportunity of "exploring other powerful options" in the game ;).

Instead of ruining the game with every patch you should hire some devs to fix the god damn game client that crashes every 5 maps.

Just keep doing this GGG, let's see what happens to the player base ;).