Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

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LittleForBig wrote:

GGG you are too distanced from casual players. I am in my 40s and and I squeezed extremely hard to get 2 hours of my midnight time to play POE after working and family life. This league kept me playing consistently since day 1 because there is finally something that I am able to chase.

Taking away Deterministic harvest is going to kill the hope for players like myself. I am sure my comment probably won't even be seen out of 3000+ comments. But I want to put my opinion out there!

You guys are doing it wrong!

QFT

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Obright wrote:

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Demonoz wrote:

So eliminate the ability to trade the crafts. Only YOU who finds the crafts can use them and once you do use them on an item that item can no longer ever be traded to another player.

The game is already set up that way. Please tell me how the game is going to know whether you place your own item on the bench, or someone else's.

In my opinion the problem isn't trading crafts anyway, it's the fact that you can't. You're forced to use outside avenues and forums where people are getting ripped off left and right, rather than networking everyone's horticrafting stations together so that crafts can be directly transferred using the game's own, safe internal trading mechanisms.

No the game isn't setup that way.. Make it so once you apply ANY Harvest Craft that items is now tagged to no longer be tradable what so ever. Cant be listed, cant be dropped on the ground and doing so makes it show opaque like when in party with short allocation loot but, forever. Its not that hard its just something GGG have stubbornly not wanted to do but, something has to give because trading the crafts is 90% of the problem and exactly why its being nerfed like it is. Trade actually creates a large portion of the issues with this game but, they will never remove it nor make it easier to do. But, Harvest really showcases how detrimental trade is.

And making it even easier to trade Harvest crafts will just mean even further nerfs to the point it wont even be usable anymore...

i am so disappointed, i cant even find the right words, how much am i.

If the next league isn't amazing design wise, I won't be a part of it. I almost haven't touched harvest crafting this league and could have done without it. However I don't like nor understand that design choice at all, and hence I don't understand it, my trust toward GGG as a company has taken a hit.

I consider the excuses in the post as BS, and on top of that I was fairly certain that the introduction of harvest as it is was geniously made like that to appeal for the 50% of the playerbase that is good enough to plan stufi n the post game but has not business hoarding hundreds of ex each day.

So yeah, it's a big slap in the face, it breaks lots of things in my relationship to this game actually. Not particulary angry because it's life, but fairly afraid and pretty disapointed.

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LittleForBig wrote:

GGG you are too distanced from casual players. I am in my 40s and and I squeezed extremely hard to get 2 hours of my midnight time to play POE after working and family life. This league kept me playing consistently since day 1 because there is finally something that I am able to chase.

Taking away Deterministic harvest is going to kill the hope for players like myself. I am sure my comment probably won't even be seen out of 3000+ comments. But I want to put my opinion out there!

You guys are doing it wrong!

I hear you bud, unfortunately you'll have to put up with the old fashioned way if GGG don't do a u-turn. I can't see them changing their stance on this - in most cases when receiving criticism on this scale people/organisations tend to become even more adamant about their decision/s so as not to lose face.

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HowToGusta wrote:

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LittleForBig wrote:

GGG you are too distanced from casual players. I am in my 40s and and I squeezed extremely hard to get 2 hours of my midnight time to play POE after working and family life. This league kept me playing consistently since day 1 because there is finally something that I am able to chase.

Taking away Deterministic harvest is going to kill the hope for players like myself. I am sure my comment probably won't even be seen out of 3000+ comments. But I want to put my opinion out there!

You guys are doing it wrong!

I hear you bud, unfortunately you'll have to put up with the old fashioned way if GGG don't do a u-turn. I can't see them changing their stance on this - in most cases when receiving criticism on this scale people/organisations tend to become even more adamant about their decision/s so as not to lose face.

And they will pay the price in loosing players like me...

Anyone know if we can get refunds on supporters packs. I feel embarrassed to have Harvest supporter against my account after these changes. If this goes through I'll be voting with my wallet going forward.

With the resurection of diablo 2 I feel like this is a really bad time for you to do this to us.That in itself is already a good enough reason to stop doing this to myself.Hoping that one day I'll min max one character so I can finally play another.But no we know how it goes.Remove this and next league or two from now you'll add another ridiculous system that the top dogs will exploit.And if I mirror the best item now a few monts later it's obsolete or worse enchanted or enhanced by a lil bit so we get to scratch our eyes out.

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Demonoz wrote:

No the game isn't setup that way...

Yes at least partially it is, and you responded before my edit. :-/

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Obright wrote:

The game is already set up that way, except for making the items non-trade-able afterward. That will result in wasted crafts, as people either use crafts they don't need on junk items, or delete them to make room within their 10-craft limit. Meanwhile people that are desperate for them can't buy them from you for all the tea in China. NOBODY is happy.

In my opinion the problem isn't trading crafts anyway, it's the fact that you can't. You're forced to use outside avenues and forums where you have to hand over your items to strangers, trust them not to brick your shit, and people are getting ripped off left and right - rather than networking everyone's horticrafting stations together so that crafts can be directly transferred using the game's own, safe internal trading mechanisms.

First time I am writing here. I am playing the game almost 5 years, mostly in Standard because of lack of time. I have seen many changes and nerfs in the game. Most of the time, at the beginning you think it will be a disaster but after a while players seem to adjust.

However, in this nerf I think it will be a big difference, because we will not go into an unknown situation. We have played the game many years in the state of rng. I acknowledge that Harvest is strong mechanic especially in crafting certain items with low cost. On the other hand, every person has the possibility to craft his own character and the items he need. He doesnt have to wait 3 months or searching poe trade every day hoping to find the item and buy. Some people want to reach endgame with mediocre gear showing their skills. I accept and respect that, but they have to respect the wish of others who want to play one character and min maxed him. Everyone should be able to enjoy the game. If you dont like Harvest, just play the game buying items or crafting with chaos.

The reality of these 2 months, especially in Standard is that people are coming back and playing the game because they have a goal. Every crafting aspect of the game from essence, fossil to beast crafting is useful again and usable. The currency you spend crafting is going to players, if you buy services and not to the wind like the old metacrafting, so you help the economy. People are able to play certain builds that before was just a dream in pob.

Finally, unfortunately because of real life matters and family, I dont think I will continue playing 2-3 hours per day, as I dont think is worthy to take time off my family in order to grind daily 50 red maps t16 and have chisel and alchemy drops. I have played all the end game and the rewards are a joke. This is not fun. Congratulations GGG. You managed to destroy perhaps the only time both standard and league had actual fun.