Last Epoch is better than POE.

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cpurdy777 wrote:

At it's trajectory it could easily rival PoE given a few more years, regardless of what you think of its current state.

Of course it could. It all depends on the customization, depth and most important; the endgame.

PoE isn't the best game in the world. It's not the prettiest game in the world. It has certain not got the best performance in the world. But when it comes to the end game? And the amount of customization you can do? Well, I can hardly think of any game coming close. And that's an objective view on the amount of content available in the endgame.

And people can say what they want about PoE's community, but it IS a good community with lots of engaging people and content creators. So an ARPG can be pretty. It can be smooth. In can run well. It can have an amazing story. But if an engaging endgame isn't present, no ARPG will ever compete with PoE.

Unless, of course, it's being developed by Blizzard... Sadly.

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teksuoPOE wrote:

last time i checked it didnt have multiplayer.

imagine that lol

Sounds like a pro more than it sounds like a con. No MP means no trading.

PoE designed and balanced for SSF... imagine that. Awesome thought.

Well, I already said mine and leave it at that.

Last Epoch is a fine little game but it is nowhere close to being a genre changing/defining/whatever adjective you wish to insert type of game. Does ti have some innovations that are nice, yes, is it a prettier game, yes (and with it coming out 7+ years after PoE it should look nicer, heck with it being the newest ARPG it should be the best looking one or close to it) but it has been in 'early access' for at least 3 years. I own the game, I've played a fair bit of hours in it and again it a fine little game, better than some, not in the running for best. If you are an ARPG fan, pick it up, you'll most likely enjoy it and get your monies worth.

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gandhar0 wrote:

It is half decent but not at the current price point of 30$. Maybe at 10-15 after the official release.

For the amount of content it already has, not to mention the replayability thanks to pretty hefty character customisation, $30 isn't far off decent value. $20 would be around where I'd put it.

As for 10-15 after release, you're thinking like a f2p player there. The cheaper they make the purchase price, the more likely they'll have to rely on nickel and dime mtxes. From what I can tell, that isn't their intention -- EHG are also Exiles, after all. I suspect they're aiming their game at people somewhat over the whole drip feed support system just to play a decent ARPG, those of us who yearn for the honesty of buy to play rather than game-as-service. In that light, $10-15 is completely unrealistic.

Oh, and your representation of the item crafting is grossly misleading. You failed to mention how easy it is to break items when you get too zealous with the crafting. That and quite a few people LIKE deterministic crafting. It...I dunno, kind of makes sense. I don't expect an Exile to understand, which is ironic given LE actually succeeds at doing something PoE flirted with but never quite managed: a white item can be crafted into a very good piece of equipment with minimal gambling. PoE's currency system technically allows for that but it's so ensconced in RNG bullshit there's really no point.

As for items you find afterwards? You break them down into mods to add to the pool. It's not exactly a difficult concept, but again, I understand an Exile having trouble seeing ARPG mechanics any way other than through a PoE lens, distorted though it may be. It can be hard to see past 'the way things are' when it's all you've known for years. Good thing GGG themselves never thought that way, or you'd all be playing Diablo 3...and probably liking it. :P

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

As for this thread, it's either coy anti-LE trolling or poorly thought out praise. It does EHG and LE no favours to go into another game's main forum and talk them and their game up in a fairly clearly antagonistic way. People who went to D3 boards and talked up PoE by demeaning D3 were no better, and we certainly never tolerated d3 zealots here either. At the very least, it should have been consigned to Off Topic where it belongs before the local chevaliers dupont could reveal their illogical, borderline hypocritical stances with no measure of irony.

Let's be real - people are being a lot nicer to this bloke than these forums ever were to anyone who so much as insinuated that 'diablo three' were words worthy of being uttered. I blame the mods.

Mm. No disagreement here -- I remember when they finally moved my big (and momentous -- it attracted Chris' attention and established our connection) thread comparing PoE and D3 to Off Topic. Kinda stung but eh, it ran its course.

So I'm amused how they moved I_NO's 100% on-topic thread obliquely referring to PoE's 'memory game' mechanics to Off Topic but leave this misguided spruiking in General Discussion. Adorable.

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I'm not sure there's a point in comparing the two games anyways, as most of the issues players can have against PoE are linked to its free-to-play nature, and most of the things players will find PoE to be way better at are also linked to that nature.
At its core PoE is a massive time black-hole, due to its absolute need to retain player attention forever to keep getting money from them. This is what attracts its crowd, and repulses another crowd. For a crowd that is looking for the time-sink, PoE's crafting system is clearly better, but for a crowd that wants its time to be better respected, having a significantly more deterministic crafting that lets them have a clear path to their goal is much better.
In a similar manner, the low amount of content is a plus to me, when compared to PoE's mess of accumulated systems, as I don't have to spend a massive amount of time trying to understand the intricacies of every single one of those systems. But to a player that's already amassed that knowledge, or that is willing to spend the time to get it, it may feel that Last Epoch is bland (and it will feel the same no matter what new game appears on the market).

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Angry_Casual wrote:

due to its absolute need to retain player attention forever to keep getting money from them.

Where did this meme come from? They don't need infinite attention from anyone, the just need players to return every league.

wolcen burned me enough to wait and watch for this one . Also saying its better the poe ? you should try different approach. That game may or may not be good but why make poe look worse ?

I doubt any game will have poe's retention power .