Ritual Rewards Scaling is pretty bad

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BearCares wrote:

think about this. If they started showering players with great items in every single ritual - the market would be flooded with great items and then none of them would have any value to you unless it was precisely exactly the upgrade that you were looking for

then you'd be on here complaining - "I get lots of great items but they don't sell. I can't find an upgrade. Ritual is garbage"

I think I'll just give up at this point, I'm not saying make it rain exalts and shav's... I'm saying the investment should match the reward how is that a difficult concept?

If you spend time and effort and currency juicing maps to capture bosses in vessels then do the same to use those vessels and you best reward is ledge grade loot? It's not all or nothing, it is investment should have an impact on reward.

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relik155 wrote:

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BearCares wrote:

think about this. If they started showering players with great items in every single ritual - the market would be flooded with great items and then none of them would have any value to you unless it was precisely exactly the upgrade that you were looking for

then you'd be on here complaining - "I get lots of great items but they don't sell. I can't find an upgrade. Ritual is garbage"

I think I'll just give up at this point, I'm not saying make it rain exalts and shav's... I'm saying the investment should match the reward how is that a difficult concept?

If you spend time and effort and currency juicing maps to capture bosses in vessels then do the same to use those vessels and you best reward is ledge grade loot? It's not all or nothing, it is investment should have an impact on reward.

I understand what you are saying. But don't you think that if the reward matched the investment that the outcome would be too easy to manipulate? Then it really WOULD be raining shavs and exalts

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BearCares wrote:

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relik155 wrote:

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BearCares wrote:

think about this. If they started showering players with great items in every single ritual - the market would be flooded with great items and then none of them would have any value to you unless it was precisely exactly the upgrade that you were looking for

then you'd be on here complaining - "I get lots of great items but they don't sell. I can't find an upgrade. Ritual is garbage"

I think I'll just give up at this point, I'm not saying make it rain exalts and shav's... I'm saying the investment should match the reward how is that a difficult concept?

If you spend time and effort and currency juicing maps to capture bosses in vessels then do the same to use those vessels and you best reward is ledge grade loot? It's not all or nothing, it is investment should have an impact on reward.

I understand what you are saying. But don't you think that if the reward matched the investment that the outcome would be too easy to manipulate? Then it really WOULD be raining shavs and exalts

Agreed, but if I invest nothing and have the same RNG as if I did invest what is the incentive to engage with the mechanic? I have no doubt we can find something in between armourer scraps and exalts. Even applying the 'smart loot' to the rares would be enough for me.

I still don't get what you're asking for... what would be "rewarding" at your level of play? I seriously can't imagine.

so to get 3 vessels it takes about 8 maps, so thats 8 maps of investing tribute towards boosting the rewards from the ritual rewards. 8 maps of getting less loot to spend on vessels should account for better loot in the boosted map that you use the vessels in. based off the comments no one here has even used the vessels or you would be on his side.
so why are you even commenting if you havnt even done the content....

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I still don't get what you're asking for... what would be "rewarding" at your level of play? I seriously can't imagine.

Ledge grade loot is common place in Ritual rewards. By that I mean gear that is just not worth using or picking up at all. Div card rewards are the normal variety you can farm from anywhere. This is boosted map Ritual loot.

Now, we just ran some alc and go maps. We pulled out 12 chaos and 3 Shav Div cards with the investment of 3 maps and 3 alchemy orbs.

Does that seem in reverse to you? I'm not sure why people seem to think I want it to rain Exalts, there is a fair middle ground.

What would I consider rewarding? Well rolled rares, decent influenced bases, decent prophecies, decent Div cards, stacks of currency such as 20 jewellers for instance or 2-5 chaos with the occasional exalt. Rarer Uniques, well rolled cluster jewels or general jewels. All of these things you can find normally with minimal investment meaning the incentive to boost the content just isn't there statistically.

i agree

Heist content is more rewarding than ritual whether you juice maps or not

Harvest integration has already begun to degrade loot scarcity and power creep anyways..... this league will likely see a mass exodus of players sooner rather than later

ive seen 3 exs and nothing else of value after running at least 300 maps just beginning to get into red maps (which from your post i can expect to see the same concentration of junk rewards)

You still wont answer my question. What are you looking for? The things you list can all be there. Often are. You seem to think you deserve better.

All this stuff seems to me like people who have been spoiled by previous leagues being too generous. Here you are at about 5 days into a league and you're already complaining that you can't get everything you want.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

You still wont answer my question. What are you looking for? The things you list can all be there. Often are. You seem to think you deserve better.

All this stuff seems to me like people who have been spoiled by previous leagues being too generous. Here you are at about 5 days into a league and you're already complaining that you can't get everything you want.

That's not what I'm saying at all. Perhaps you should read what I said again as if you can't understand the value in those items and the fact that I'm not asking for everything within the first week then I lack the crayons to explain it further.

The investment does not match the reward. If you invest nothing and get the same loot pool as somebody who invests 5x, 10x or 100x more then how is that an engaging league mechanic? As you say you can already get all those items I have stated, and that is exactly my point. Why invest when we can already get it?

The fact that they chilled out on juice multipliers seems quite fine to me. Not like you juice your maps to only buff ritual. Not to mentioned your killing and getting exp for all these extra mobs in ritual zones.

Your not doing much in terms of juicing ritual specifically. All the map juice is there with or without ritual. The vials give you alot more mobs, for very little effort since you have extra favor for vials anyway. So in fact you not actually investing almost anything extra and want more rewards.