Multiboxing rules the world!!! (the world of GGG)

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ShadyC wrote:

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guidoo wrote:

I've yet to see any evidence of how multiboxing affects the game.

Do you know what the problem is?

-And I really want you to read this post word for word.

You're taking this personally.

And you, instead of providing any real (<-- I can use italics unnecessarily too) evidence, attack the straw man. GG.

BTW, multiboxing rules. All your exalts are belong to us!

On a serious note, I saw Lioneye's Glare in HC trade for 27(!) exalts tonight. Inflation has pushed us solo players out of the market. And by solo I mean we don't party. Solo does not mean we don't use trade. "Self found" means one doesn't use trade. I do think there is an inflation problem and it may have been caused by the abuse of the chaos recipe. It could be that GGG was way (<-- See what I did there?) too slow in removing this exploit, abuse of which was probably enabled in some cases by multiboxing. However, I have no proof (<-- Italics!) this is the case, so I don't get all dogmatic on the forums about it.

Honestly though, I think it would be much better if GGG just said multi-boxing was against TOS. But, if they do that, then the stash tab argument postulating that having multiple free accounts is just as good as buying stash tabs gets pretty weak since you can't use multiple accounts for extra stash without multi-boxing. Hmmm...tinfoil hat time!

I've done more than my fair share of putting forth effort and evidence, don't even go there :/






Also, you liked using italics, don't even go there either.

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ShadyC wrote:

Also, you liked using italics, don't even go there either.

You totally got me there. :)

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Phaeded wrote:

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ShadyC wrote:

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guidoo wrote:

I've yet to see any evidence of how multiboxing affects the game.

Do you know what the problem is?

-And I really want you to read this post word for word.

You're taking this personally.

And you, instead of providing any real (<-- I can use italics unnecessarily too) evidence, attack the straw man. GG.

BTW, multiboxing rules. All your exalts are belong to us!

On a serious note, I saw Lioneye's Glare in HC trade for 27(!) exalts tonight. Inflation has pushed us solo players out of the market. And by solo I mean we don't party. Solo does not mean we don't use trade. "Self found" means one doesn't use trade. I do think there is an inflation problem and it may have been caused by the abuse of the chaos recipe. It could be that GGG was way (<-- See what I did there?) too slow in removing this exploit, abuse of which was probably enabled in some cases by multiboxing. However, I have no proof (<-- Italics!) this is the case, so I don't get all dogmatic on the forums about it.

Honestly though, I think it would be much better if GGG just said multi-boxing was against TOS. But, if they do that, then the stash tab argument postulating that having multiple free accounts is just as good as buying stash tabs gets pretty weak since you can't use multiple accounts for extra stash without multi-boxing. Hmmm...tinfoil hat time!

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There is 0 way to fight boxxing. Its undetectable, especially in a game like this without a true persistent world. I know everyone is on thier toes waiting for GGG to come out and say its illegal. The wait is gonna be a long one. This was the same exact thing in every other mmo. Huge whines and complains on the forums. Everyone waits for the official answer. Guess what? In every case they came out and said it's legal. Every time in every game, so I hope yall arent waiting for them to come out and say different. They cant combat it so why try.

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guidoo wrote:

You keep evading the fact that you can't prove if multiboxing actually affects the economy, for the reasons mentioned above.

Keep up the circlejerking. I'm not taking anything personally, just pointing out your lack of evidence and flawed argument. I'm not looking for an answer, there's nothing to answer to begin with. If there was something to answer it'd be along the lines of: 'Are multiboxers ruining the game?' And the answer would be: 'There's no way to prove it'. Move along.

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ShadyC wrote:

Your only interest in every multi-box thread is waving your arms around wildly, clinging desperately to the technicality that we cannot factually provide stone-cold proof that multi-boxers are at fault.

Uh...no. You keep missing the point. I'm not arguing if they are or not at fault, I'm arguing that you can't prove if the amount of mutliboxers is enough to have any real impact in the economy. Until you can prove that -which you won't be able to- there's no point in arguing.

And yes, since I don't care about multiboxing, it is obviously because I multibox. There is no other explanation of course. Once you run out of arguments, just call the other guy out and be done with it, that's how the internet works.

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ShadyC wrote:

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guidoo wrote:

I've yet to see any evidence of how multiboxing affects the game. So far I've only seen a video of a guy multiboxing normal terraces. Holy shit. Game = ruined.
I've been playing for months and my experience hasn't changed one bit. Inflation was obviously expected, and you can in no way tell if multiboxing is a big factor that contributes to it, because you can't possibly know how many people do it. Obviously you'll assume that a large number do, because it's beneficial to your argument, but in reality you have no clue and are talking out of your ass like OP and ShadyC.
Also if you play solo for the most part and ocasionally trade, yet you can't keep up with prices, you are doing something horribly wrong. Just a friendly tip.

Do you know what the problem is?

-And I really want you to read this post word for word.

You're taking this personally.

As in, you are taking our attack at the multi-box method as a personal attack against you.

If you were truly just disagreeing with us, you would provide counter-examples that suggest a different source is the cause of the inflation. But you're not.

Instead, you begin to defend the positions of the multi-box method that we are blaming. This is not the natural reaction of someone looking for an answer; it's the natural reaction of someone trying to defend themselves.

Your only interest in every multi-box thread is waving your arms around wildly, clinging desperately to the technicality that we cannot factually provide stone-cold proof that multi-boxers are at fault. Aside from this personal goal with your own self at mind, you've done absolutely nothing in terms of... "while I disagree that it's the multi's, I do however believe it's from this & this, because of that & that..."





I'm curious if you actually see this. I mean, we're not even going to mention that you're obviously a multi-boxer, stating that would be like stating cars drive on roads. But the fact that you are more interested in protecting your own hide than actually getting to the bottom of the situation...

I did provide counter examples

RMT

Botter boards

Traders

Farmers

All are KNOWN to exist, with many players in each category.

First off Guido there doesnt need to be a large mass of MB. My brother just got the shit last nite and i watched him set it up on PoE and Diablo 3. The problem with MBing on PoE is that they all sync out from eachother and get all out of whack.

All he has to do was make Key Maps and hotkey each Key map to every single alt F1-F5 and simply press the button and bring the stray dog back to the group. VERY EASY to do if you've played SC2 and know how to micro/macro good. There was no way to keep them align, just F1 real fast, bring into group, F1 again and move along. Was very smooth and easy. He had like 20 gems drop from the terraces to the ledge. No big drop happened but i seen the huge potential. he already has 20 alt orbs in 20 minutes just orb drops, not selling gear...thats just for simplicity.

And after watching it, there is no way to get rid of it. They have free accounts. He farms a bunch of stuff with free account and moves them to another free account and then moves them again and again and again from account to account to account. It is endless...Its a process of having some crazy 15 accounts. They will play whack-a-mole (previously described by someone else and very accurate) by banning account after account after account and they will just make new ones. Bounceing his IP around it will be immpossible to do anything about it. As long as there are free accounts it will never get fixed Mber's are not intimidated by this, it takes less than a day to get a toon to lvl 60 and farming merciless loot and currency all the way through.

The loot drop is VERY rewarding. I dont have to prove anything i sen it with my own eyes from level 1-9. IT's BS.

Phaded has by far the most accurate description of how its casuing inflation and how it's affecting solo gamers. This to say the least, is hurting GGG's player base very badly. Eventually there will be nothing but a shit ton of currency and gear and no one left to buy it. Either way, imma still gring out with my new Maraduer 2h Ground slam, as my 4 other duelist are now depleted and get no where. NExt i will try a witch, after that i can already say i will be moving on. I will come back before ESO hits but once that does. I and many others won't even bother with this game until it's official release. Hopefully the game will be in a stable state and able for all players to have a competitive edge.

Good Luck, i now know what Mbing is doing and is capable of doing. There is have nothing left to say or prove, not that it did any good anyway.

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cchavoc wrote:

First off Guido there doesnt need to be a large mass of MB.

This is already ridiculous. Of course there needs to be a large amount of multiboxing. A single person doing it won't have any impact on the economy of a game with thousands of players. Without numbers to show what percentage of the playerbase does it, there is no actual way of telling if/how it affects the economy.

The rest of your post is not even worth quoting. First it was your friend, now it is your brother. 20 alt orbs in 20 minutes (which was an edit, you clearly said 20 alt shards) is impressive. What is that, like one chaos? Oh lawd he is now the richest and most effective farmer in the whole game. Dude you can go to a high level map and sell whites for 3 times as much...

You truly are ignorant and refuse to open your eyes to anything anyone tells you. You shoot everything down and spew your BS. I seen it for my own eyes. i know whats it's capable of at high level. its not hard to macro alts to keep them in line and still farm fast.

Good Day to you. Hope you have fun being underfarmed or quit being mad because you sucked at it when you tried. One or the other.

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cchavoc wrote:

You truly are ignorant and refuse to open your eyes to anything anyone tells you. You shoot everything down and spew your BS. I seen it for my own eyes. i know whats it's capable of at high level. its not hard to macro alts to keep them in line and still farm fast.

Good Day to you. Hope you have fun being underfarmed or quit being mad because you sucked at it when you tried. One or the other.

*yawn*