Real Money Auction House RMAH for poe

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ManiaCCC wrote:

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Ceppana wrote:

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ManiaCCC wrote:

No, it wasn't..if you want making things up .. go ahead ..but don't represent it as facts.

You either didn't understand what tachi meant or ignored it or you just wanted to take the text out of context. It HAS been illegal activity BEFORE the one game, which name I refuse to say, introduced the RMAH. So like tachi said, Blizzard just gave up on fighting against cheaters and moved the actions to players. That's not the right way.

My stance still stays the same, if PoE ever get RMAH, GGG can forget my support. I suspect there is alot more supporters who are with me, atleast im not alone against RMAH.

Look..I know where are you coming from but again..it wasn't illegal activity unless you were buying dupes. Duping and selling duped items were in fact illegal. But for different reason. It's not nitpicking ..as I can understand why are some players against RMAH ..but too many are working with false assumptions..

For starter's you cannot sell ingame gold on ebay or an item... Its just illegal, you dont own the copyright to that item, and you dont own the copyright to the game your selling it in. That is illegal...

You can sell your services......That is 100% correct, and if your mate is willing to hop onto "your computer" on "Your account" and farm like a mofo for you.... Power to you.

But he cannot provide you a service on a seperate account and then sell you the product.
(That is illegal)

You cannot "Stock pile" and then sell pritty much is what every legal case has ever ended in.

No trading company will let you do that.
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Now there is a counter arguement to that....

What if its not illegal in your country....

Well...that just makes you and your fellow country men wanker/criminal scum who if you ever left your country into another country who respected other's property...would be fog by the long D of the law... like a mofo.

Its also why those country's are usualy IP BANNED, from playing the games....

Its also why you credit card wont work in that country...


Using a VPN wouldnt help you as using third party software is usually a "instant ban" aswell.

I hope this clarifyed it for ya dude.

Have fun.

all you people saying how stupid it is to put something in the game because pay to win is an idiot. just saying "we dont like this" and pointing fingers at people telling them to not do something wont change anything.

there is an absolute 100% chance that items in this game will change hands with real life money you can not change it you can not fight it. RMAH is an attempt to leash this kind of action it moves the power of real money trading farther away from career bot farmers and moves it closer to the legitimate player who plays the game themselves for fun instead of having 10x accounts botting it.

this kind of system also makes it near impossible for players to get scammed and lose interest in the game.

not having an RMAH in the game its paytowin still but no legitimate player is going to benefit from it only the china farmers who own websites that farm from hundreds of games. you are feeding the enemy.

even if you dont have an RMAH people who have more free time on their hands can be considered pay 2 win because most people can not aford to play 10hours a day giving an unfair advantage.

im sure blizzard has been over this thousands of times and dislike the idea as much as you but just pointing a finger and someone and say you cant sell drugs is not going to stop ANYTHING you are a mear human you cant do anything you are god dam powerless sack of meat you can not stop the china farmers you are outnumbered this is a last ditch effort to slightly mitigate the damage as much as possible.

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

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CharanJaydemr wrote:

Like I said, soulbinding is the perfect solution to such an issue

You say this is the perfect solution, but what is being solved, exactly? Should people not be able to trade for something rare? Should Blizzard not make money off it? Why not? I say let people keep track of who's got it for now, if they can, and let them offer stupidly high prices for it. Let the player choose not to sell because it'll only get more valuable. I think that kind of hot-potato trading, rather than the normal sort of dream-world "if I farm for long enough, I'll get everything I want" would be interesting to see.

And now that you mention "hunting for it", this kind of "actually unique" item would make an interesting addition to Path of Exile's cut-throat leagues :)

Solution in my eyes to the very likely possibility of said unique items being whored around instead of treasured for the treasures they are or would be. But of course that's up to the owner -- I cited bound weapons from EQ1 somewhat poorly, because you didn't find them so much as earn them over the course of a very, very long series of quests. They were the only particle weapons in the game and anyone wielding them gained a measure of instant respect. There was simply no way to gain those weapons easily.

...Oh, yes, it'd be interesting to see. That's precisely what I said when I spoke of scurrying and limited availability. But I don't think it'll be very pleasant in practice. It's going to rip away any residual delusions people may have that being good at Diablo is all about skill and time invested. That if you are very lucky or patient, the unique you want can be found. If all of them are on the AH, then that's that.

Again, this is going by my possible misreading of the article.

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mayainverse wrote:

there is an absolute 100% chance that items in this game will change hands with real life money you can not change it you can not fight it. RMAH is an attempt to leash this kind of action it moves the power of real money trading farther away from career bot farmers and moves it closer to the legitimate player who plays the game themselves for fun instead of having 10x accounts botting it.

this kind of system also makes it near impossible for players to get scammed and lose interest in the game.

not having an RMAH in the game its paytowin still but no legitimate player is going to benefit from it only the china farmers who own websites that farm from hundreds of games. you are feeding the enemy.

even if you dont have an RMAH people who have more free time on their hands can be considered pay 2 win because most people can not aford to play 10hours a day giving an unfair advantage.

im sure blizzard has been over this thousands of times and dislike the idea as much as you but just pointing a finger and someone and say you cant sell drugs is not going to stop ANYTHING you are a mear human you cant do anything you are god dam powerless sack of meat you can not stop the china farmers you are outnumbered this is a last ditch effort to slightly mitigate the damage as much as possible.

Dude, you kinda get it, kinda dont.

You have a good reply but its not like we didnt give reasons why its bad to have the RMAH.

And you keep going back to...people screw people. That is going to happen with the RMAH system weather you like it or not. Criminals just get smarter, and the hacking will just get worse. Your just trading one devil for a worse one.

You cannot stop cheater's.....cheaters will cheat...people will rage.... shiz gets ugly.
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In this case, ruining players fairness without benefit is pointless.

If you choose to not answer those reasons then your post is pointless..

Like why should the general community suffer for the actions of the few?.

Why sink to the same level as those who have done nothing but wrong other's, just to do the exsact same thing to the players?.

You even just said its P2W yourself and are just telling me to accept it......

Well, we dont accept it......... and we wont play that game because its ethicly wrong, and you even feel it sucks aswell....maybee you will, maybee you wont....

What you gonna do?, keep bichin?.

My wall of text already addressed all of that.

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tachi203 wrote:

For starter's you cannot sell ingame gold on ebay or an item... Its just illegal, you dont own the copyright to that item, and you dont own the copyright to the game your selling it in. That is illegal...

You can sell your services......That is 100% correct, and if your mate is willing to hop onto "your computer" on "Your account" and farm like a mofo for you.... Power to you.

But he cannot provide you a service on a seperate account and then sell you the product.
(That is illegal)

You cannot "Stock pile" and then sell pritty much is what every legal case has ever ended in.

No trading company will let you do that.
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Now there is a counter arguement to that....

What if its not illegal in your country....

Well...that just makes you and your fellow country men wanker/criminal scum who if you ever left your country into another country who respected other's property...would be fog by the long D of the law... like a mofo.

Its also why those country's are usualy IP BANNED, from playing the games....

Its also why you credit card wont work in that country...


Using a VPN wouldnt help you as using third party software is usually a "instant ban" aswell.

I hope this clarifyed it for ya dude.

Have fun.

Oh god..

it's not about country.. and my country is not IP blocked from any of these games. There are many different reasons why E-bay and other companies wont allow selling digital items.. It's not because it's illegal as you said... but because they can guarantee it's legal...So, for them it's best way to avoid any legal problems is not allowing to sell digital items altogether.. Yes..of course, if someone is selling something ..digital item in this case...and company which made that game and digital item have no profit from it, they have every right to stand against these actions and act as they want but even in this case they may not win that case...

But saying selling digital items is illegal is very wrong. It's not a new concept.. It's working for years already where players can trade items for real life money. And it wasn't introduced by some low profile developers... and as you can see, more and more are adapting.. CCP, ArenaNet, Blizzard just to name a few.

Still, feel free to disagree with their decision to fully support real money trading..Again.. I see where are you coming from and why you don't like it.. but it's not illegal, nor cheating.

lul@ it's "illegal" to sell virtual items that don't exist. Oh noes the virtual poepoe are coming to get mahhh.

anyway like the guy above said people are just gonna get scammed like crazy without an AH or RMAH regardless. Sure they will get ripped off with those too - just not as often. And there will be sites selling everything for "real money" anyway...if there is such a thing.

Just a big hassle and GGG will lose out on the potential profit (that they need badly to make this game as great as it could be).. example would be imagine not waiting 6 years to still be in beta...

bottom line is we will see how RMAH works in D3 in a few weeks - if it works, I will most likely just stick with that, since selling on RMAH would add lots of fun for me, even if it's inferior in many other ways (jeez I'll even have to ride a fing pony like in ponycraft).

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tachi203 wrote:

Dude, you kinda get it, kinda dont.

You have a good reply but its not like we didnt give reasons why its bad to have the RMAH.

And you keep going back to...people screw people. That is going to happen with the RMAH system weather you like it or not. Criminals just get smarter, and the hacking will just get worse. Your just trading one devil for a worse one.

You cannot stop cheater's.....cheaters will cheat...people will rage.... shiz gets ugly.
BUT
In this case, ruining players fairness without benefit is pointless.

If you choose to not answer those reasons then your post is pointless..

Like why should the general community suffer for the actions of the few?.

Why sink to the same level as those who have done nothing but wrong other's, just to do the exsact same thing to the players?.

You even just said its P2W yourself and are just telling me to accept it......

Well, we dont accept it......... and we wont play that game because its ethicly wrong, and you even feel it sucks aswell....maybee you will, maybee you wont....

What you gonna do?, keep bichin?.

My wall of text already addressed all of that.

not implementing a RMAH is not going to magically make people stop selling items for gold. it exists it will not disapear ever adapt or die.

selling/buying items over webpages is built on trust as you must give your money for the item first then they have full power to give you or not give you the item as many have said it is not legal and you cant go to the police if you are scamed you are scammed thats it. with it being legal its possible to put a leash on the problem and control it at least more than nothing.

I really do not get what you mean as being scammed with a RMAH the game does the transaction for you and both parties get what they paid for.

currently I am playing on a vanilla WoW private server of all places. i have sold 2 crapy geared characters for a little over 100dollars in total on that server. people will buy stuff and people will sell stuff you can not ever stop this from happening blizzard has spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to stop people selling their items it just will never fucking happen. accept it and adapt. unless if you are one of those people who think "out of sight out of mind" oh boy, if I do not see a website or players selling items for real life money they don't actually exist hur dur.

the concept of RMAH is not to promote the action of trading game items for real money but to have some degree of control over it.

So now we know your intentions, you and other posters here wnat the RMAH so you can make a few bucks. As you said before you sold crappy gear for 100 bucks. Thanks for letting us know that was your whole plan.

Seems like a lot of these guys are working together trying to pressure GGG into adding RMAH for self gain.


OOh and you say that players will get scammed if they buy stuff from 3rd party websites, here is a tip for them. DONT BUY GEAR FROM 3RD PARTY WEBSITES. If you get scammed thats your fault and not GGG.

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ManiaCCC wrote:

Oh god..

it's not about country.. and my country is not IP blocked from any of these games. There are many different reasons why E-bay and other companies wont allow selling digital items.. It's not because it's illegal as you said... but because they can guarantee it's legal...So, for them it's best way to avoid any legal problems is not allowing to sell digital items altogether.. Yes..of course, if someone is selling something ..digital item in this case...and company which made that game and digital item have no profit from it, they have every right to stand against these actions and act as they want but even in this case they may not win that case...

But saying selling digital items is illegal is very wrong. It's not a new concept.. It's working for years already where players can trade items for real life money. And it wasn't introduced by some low profile developers... and as you can see, more and more are adapting.. CCP, ArenaNet, Blizzard just to name a few.

Still, feel free to disagree with their decision to fully support real money trading..Again.. I see where are you coming from and why you don't like it.. but it's not illegal, nor cheating.

That is true selling digital "Right's" is not illegal. But unfortunatly, "customer's" do not own those rights.
So in former games such as WoW/Guild Wars/Diablo 2 and pritty much every other game out there that said
"We own the digital rights to this game, and customers are not allowed to sell anything related to this game" ....It was illegal. For all the reasons that have been described in the wall of text. And they considered it as "cheating" aswell as being illegal.

aka, if I make a song, and you buy it on a CD at a store....You do not have the right to sell it to other's, you get a warning and if you continue, you goto jail/fine. As that is a digital infringement. The same applies to game "Content" you do not own it(Unless you made the game), thus no consumer has the right to sell it. As that is "Fraud". But as I have said and other's, some people get caught, others dont. That is upto you.

But now in a RMAH, two people are allowed to legaly sell there ingame items through a game sponsered RMAH, this has pro's and con's, but all the pro's are just about making money and not about making ethical, quality competition. Which is my problem with it and many do not see it as anything less than cheating.

That is why I support GGG, and the "Ethical Transaction scheme"..... If they choose to stop that, thats their choice.

Of course alot of people would leave.(Myself included) for all the problems it would cause.

But yea... Thats copyright/digital rights law's.... Noway around those.

"more and more are adapting.. CCP, ArenaNet, Blizzard"

lol, you do realise theyre all "FAILING" examples...Especialy CCP...

"Layoffs

In October of 2011, following a large controversy over its introduction of microtransactions to the game EVE Online, CCP announced that it would be reducing its staff. As stated in a CCP press release, the layoffs affected about 20% of all world wide jobs within CCP, most in their Atlanta, GA office. These layoffs were mainly of staff related to the development of World of Darkness."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCP_Games#Layoffs


It destroyed these games dude. Bad Example.

This thread and any other RMAH thread should just be moved to Offtopic because the devs already stated that P2W systems like the RMAH will not be part of PoE.