FIX YOUR MAP DROPS. FIX THEM. FIIIIIX THEEEEEM!

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Char1983 wrote:

All I am saying is: Using RNG to determine which content you are allowed to play is... questionable.

Let's take an example. 1000 players roll their maps exactly the same, something like, maybe, 3 frags per map, chisel, alch, maybe reroll for reflect. Doesn't really matter, but they all roll their maps exactly the same, and in a way that should allow them to sustain maps forever.

Lets simplify things and assume:

1) We are only dealing with one tier of maps, so we start with a fixed pool of maps and if a map drops, it gets added to that pool. Simplifies the calculations.
2) Rolling a map has a fixed cost of 4 chaos per map rolled
3) On average, in each map, 1.2 maps drop (clearly sustainable)
4) On average, per map, 8 chaos worth of currency plus 0.04 exalts drop
5) Each player starts with 10 maps, if they run out of maps, they buy a new one at a cost of 7 chaos per map.
6) All players run maps for 10 hours straight, 12 maps per hour, for a total of 120 maps.

This, btw, works out to an average profit of 103.4c/hour, which isn't that unreasonable I think.

So let's see what the results are...

• At the end of the day, the worst-off player has 1 map in their stash (down from 10), while the best-off player has 78 maps.
• Someone had to buy 10 maps in order to keep playing (and deal with the abomination of a trade system we have, if they even play trade league), despite starting with a somewhat solid pool of 10 maps.
• While the mean profit per hour was 103.4 Chaos, the worst-off player had a mean profit of just 47 c/h, and the best-off player had 172 c/h.

Now, this is if everyone rolls maps exactly the same. And ignoring map tiers. But that isn't the case, some people run super-juiced delirium maps in a party and get tons of map and other drops. Others play in SSF and can't get the Chisels to chisel up their maps, or the sac fragments. Some people vaal their maps, and some of them run into the problem that they get maps they can't run then (while others have builds that can run all map mods).

All that adds to the spread, rather than reduces it. But even if you are doing everything right, with an expected map-per-map ratio of 1.2, clearly sustainable, you can get shafted. And that must feel shitty.

If you are doing things right for 10 hours of playtime with efficient mapping (12 maps per hour), it should not be possible to get shafted so hard. But it is. I know it evens out over long play times, but many people can't play this game for 10 hours a day. Lots of people can't even play it for 10 hours a week.

Not sure if you are able to understand this, but the fact that YOU don't have a problem and have not had a problem in quite a while doesn't mean there is no problem.

EDIT: Here is the code for the statistical tries (in Python), if you are interested:

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import numpy as np

map_pool = 10
chaos_pool = 20
map_cost = 7
chaos_per_map_avg = 8
chaos_per_roll = 4
maps_per_map_avg = 1.2

maps_per_hour = 12

N_PLAYERS = 1000
N_MAPS = 120

maps_bought = np.array([0]*N_PLAYERS)
map_pool = np.array([map_pool]*N_PLAYERS)
chaos_pool = np.array([chaos_pool]*N_PLAYERS)

for i in range(N_MAPS):
# buy map if necessary
chaos_pool[map_pool==0] -= map_cost
maps_bought[map_pool==0] += 1
map_pool[map_pool==0] += 1
# take map
map_pool -= 1
# roll map
chaos_pool -= chaos_per_roll
# get rewards
map_pool += np.random.poisson(maps_per_map_avg, N_PLAYERS)
chaos_pool += np.random.poisson(chaos_per_map_avg, N_PLAYERS) # chaos rewards
chaos_pool += np.random.poisson(chaos_per_map_avg/200, N_PLAYERS)*80 # exalt rewards

print(f'min/max maps left: {min(map_pool)} / {max(map_pool)}')
print(f'min/max total profit: {min(map_pool*map_cost + chaos_pool)-80} / {max(map_pool*map_cost + chaos_pool)-80}')
print(f'mean total profit (per hour): {np.mean(map_pool*map_cost + chaos_pool - 80):.1f} ({np.mean(map_pool*map_cost + chaos_pool - 80)/N_MAPS * maps_per_hour:.1f})')
print(f'max maps bought: {max(maps_bought)}')


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Galtrovan wrote:

Map sustain fails when you get to awakening level 3. You only have 12 watch stones and need 3 stones in an area to spawn a subsequent conquerer. With this, there are not enough stones to go around to keep all 8 zones in red maps.

If you ask me, this is where the game is stupid and screws with your map drops. Run a red map and a map drop is for a zone where you have the stones allocated for the map to be red when it drops, things are fine. You get a appropriate map for the map you are running. On the other hand, if the map drop is for a zone where you don't have stones allocated for the map to be red, you either get screwed with a low level yellow tier map, or worse for zone without any stones, a BS tier 3 or 4 map.

Every league its the same crap, at the same point, until you manage to get to awaking level 5. It's annoying.

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Char1983 wrote:

Congratulations, you got lucky. Not everyone gets lucky.

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Chalace2 wrote:

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Char1983 wrote:

Congratulations, you got lucky. Not everyone gets lucky.

It's not luck...

Urgh...

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Char1983 wrote:

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Chalace2 wrote:

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Char1983 wrote:

Congratulations, you got lucky. Not everyone gets lucky.

It's not luck...

Urgh...

Did you read (and understand) the post I made on page 3?

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Chalace2 wrote:

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Did you read (and understand) the post I made on page 3?

I did, and it's just a meaningless theory based on arbitrary numbers.

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Chalace2 wrote:

As I already pointed out, most people in the 2-3 map posts complaining have barely scratched 200 maps total