Will anyone try out Neverwinter when it hits OB? Also feedback on how the p2w is implemented

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Vold316 wrote:
1 Zen ~ 385 Astral Diamonds (AD), you can buy them directly.
And you can get AD doing quests, PvP, selling items, etc... It is not that hard. Although, the fastest way to get zen is real money.


That's my point. The daily activities give how many AD? 1000? 2000? You also get a few hundred from the daily prayer. That said, if you do all daily stuff - and that takes some time - you get ~10 zen. If you look at the store you will see that this is next to nothing.
As I have said before, I have yet to find something remotely valuable to sell in the auction house.
That said, it seems to be an insane grind if you don't want to pay.
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kruemel2222 wrote:
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Vold316 wrote:
1 Zen ~ 385 Astral Diamonds (AD), you can buy them directly.
And you can get AD doing quests, PvP, selling items, etc... It is not that hard. Although, the fastest way to get zen is real money.


That's my point. The daily activities give how many AD? 1000? 2000? You also get a few hundred from the daily prayer. That said, if you do all daily stuff - and that takes some time - you get ~10 zen. If you look at the store you will see that this is next to nothing.
As I have said before, I have yet to find something remotely valuable to sell in the auction house.
That said, it seems to be an insane grind if you don't want to pay.


Another key point is that you can only refine 25000 AD per day, so even if you reach this cap every day:

25000/385 = 64.766 (call it 64)

So every day you get 64 Zen. So to get a 4000 Zen mount, for example it takes: 4000 / 64 = 62.5 days. Whereas for some real money you can have it immediately, which is a -huge- advantage in PvP and just in general.

Of course, you can grind out PvP or the dungeons and sell the items for AD which you can convert to Zen, but simply from a farming rough AD standpoint, it's hugely advantageous to just pay money.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it's what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
That is exactly the reason why they did it this way... There will always be people who will waste their RL money to obtain an immidiate advantage ingame over other players. You guys should Pay if you feel that the difference is that big.
I will never pay a cent, unless that its purely to thank the devs for the game. Because, i know that i will have fun regardless of not obtaining that "advantage", which in my opinion is not a big deal.
"The harder the game, the better."
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Vakirauta wrote:
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Russell wrote:
"Hello young warrior. Do you feel you are levelling too slow?.Try out these double XP potions!".

Hello damned exile. Are you running out of spaces to hold your needs? Do you need more stocking for recipes? Try them extra premium stashes!


meh, i came from DDO. there you can buy a xp stone in the store that automatically levels you 8 levels. yes, 8 levels in seconds (there's only 20 levels)....

and that's not counting all the other xp pots, tomes, etc..
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Azithoth wrote:
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Vakirauta wrote:
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Russell wrote:
"Hello young warrior. Do you feel you are levelling too slow?.Try out these double XP potions!".

Hello damned exile. Are you running out of spaces to hold your needs? Do you need more stocking for recipes? Try them extra premium stashes!


meh, i came from DDO. there you can buy a xp stone in the store that automatically levels you 8 levels. yes, 8 levels in seconds (there's only 20 levels)....

and that's not counting all the other xp pots, tomes, etc..

That is not what killed DDO for me. Access to 10% of total quests and content as free user is what killed it for me.

Since I don't like PvP what Neverwinter does is OK for me. Other players that pay don't get an advantage over me. BTW people, you can grind diamonds through crafting (leadership). set up multiple accounts, focus on crafting, trade diamonds/zen to one of them and use that one as main. That is if you feel 25000 astral diamonds per day is too slow for your free user ass :D

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Torin wrote:

That is not what killed DDO for me. Access to 10% of total quests and content as free user is what killed it for me.

Since I don't like PvP what Neverwinter does is OK for me. Other players that pay don't get an advantage over me. BTW people, you can grind diamonds through crafting (leadership). set up multiple accounts, focus on crafting, trade diamonds/zen to one of them and use that one as main. That is if you feel 25000 astral diamonds per day is too slow for your free user ass :D


eh it started with paid content - which is fine by me, its not pay to win its pay for adv pack you want to use. Then it turned into 50% xp tomes, stones of xp, raid bypass timers, +4 tomes, fuck you you have xp penalty now coz you're not vip, RMAH. /end rant

Back to topic, I had a feeling you can't send zen/AD across accounts? Tho you could try something like, setting AD->Zen 100000:1 but i think you wouldnt be able to pick it up on main cause game will automatch lower offers first?
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DeathDiciple wrote:
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Torin wrote:

That is not what killed DDO for me. Access to 10% of total quests and content as free user is what killed it for me.

Since I don't like PvP what Neverwinter does is OK for me. Other players that pay don't get an advantage over me. BTW people, you can grind diamonds through crafting (leadership). set up multiple accounts, focus on crafting, trade diamonds/zen to one of them and use that one as main. That is if you feel 25000 astral diamonds per day is too slow for your free user ass :D


eh it started with paid content - which is fine by me, its not pay to win its pay for adv pack you want to use. Then it turned into 50% xp tomes, stones of xp, raid bypass timers, +4 tomes, fuck you you have xp penalty now coz you're not vip, RMAH. /end rant

Back to topic, I had a feeling you can't send zen/AD across accounts? Tho you could try something like, setting AD->Zen 100000:1 but i think you wouldnt be able to pick it up on main cause game will automatch lower offers first?

Maybe you can trade 24000 diamonds to Zen on all accounts and then use some to buy stuff you need that does not auto bound to you and then trade it to your other account?!

I am not sure if the astral diamond limit per day is per account or per character?!
If it is per character then you can have more characters on same account and spend your first Zen to unlock more character slots.

I've seen several players getting millions of AD (=>thousands of Zen), as free users.

They just play a lot (~12 hours/day), loot good stuff (or farm it via PvP) and sell it on the AH.

But I also feel like this system is inconvenient for a free player. What's the point of gold in this ?
There are too many currencies, the game feels like it's asking for your money on every single aspect, free players are treated like second-class citizens, and the real-money prices are way too high.

I personnally stopped playing, I may stick to subscription-based MMOs, or B2P.
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Udja wrote:
from before the 1.0.7 update.


y u no like rogue
Hey...is this thing on?
I just saw Kripparrian´s youtube video about the good and bad of NW, it sort of answers the question of the OP.
Also, just tried an instance called the Lair of the Mad Dragon, the last boss is extremly hard and fun... managed to kill him but crashed at 3% of life and missed the kill and the loot!! I feel so bad, i have been trying to kill the boss with 2 different parties for 4 hours, wiped a lot of times and when we got him i crash because of my internet connection got interrupted by some strange reason... Well, anyways... Try that boss if you play NW, its really fun.
"The harder the game, the better."

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