General Discussion - How can MAPS lag so much harder than any other area ? - Forum

" It does not help, to trample on those with less performance and say, it does not need improvements, because one has a better machine, when we could instead work together and get improvements for all of us. The thing is, that particular engine being decently optimized at least for middle-end hardware at the next league start is a wishful thinking at best, not speaking of doing it for something that is below minimum specs. You can of course write to the support and ask them to rewrite it all from scratch, but i guess they will refuse. Basically they can just answer "sorry, your specs are below minimum, we can't guarantee it'll even run on that" and they will be right. " So what I want to do here is get hints on how to tune it better The last remaining chance is -nosound, everything off/minimum. You simply can't "tune" hardware like integrated video to have acceptable performance, no matter the effort. Like that - it can pretend its Lamborghini, but will it magically have the speed of Lamborghini? "Path of Exile's engine is currently modern, lean and fast." - Chris Wilson, September 19th, 2019	Posted by dW2005 on May 27, 2020, 6:40:18 AM Quote this Post
" dW2005 wrote: You simply can't "tune" hardware like integrated video to have acceptable performance, no matter the effort. Ah, so you want to tell me, that disabling 80% of sounds and graphical effect does not increase the performance drastically ? Most games have those options, where u can disable effects, PoE does not, and still you repeat the same blahblah that it would be impossible to improve the performance. Why does reducing the load on GPU and CPU not improve the gaming experience following your logic ? Please explain it. I am not talking about tuning my hardware more, because I am sure it is already at the limit. So only GGG can now do a thing and tag effects by filterable groups, so in the options they can get disabled as needed. No my PC does not require an update, no I am not going to buy a new graphic card, no this problem is not solved by buying just new hardware.	Posted by Tamo_Tua on May 27, 2020, 7:23:19 AM Quote this Post
" Tamo_Tua wrote: So only GGG can now do a thing and tag effects by filterable groups, so in the options they can get disabled as needed. They're not going to do that though, so you have two options - upgrade or find another game to play.	Posted by LennyLen on May 27, 2020, 8:12:18 AM Quote this Post
" LennyLen wrote: " Tamo_Tua wrote: So only GGG can now do a thing and tag effects by filterable groups, so in the options they can get disabled as needed. They're not going to do that though, so you have two options - upgrade or find another game to play. why wouldn't they do that though? they should at the very least add an option to reduce or remove party member effects like many others games have	Posted by CAPSLOCK_ON on May 27, 2020, 2:38:57 PM On Probation Quote this Post
" Ah, so you want to tell me, that disabling 80% of sounds and graphical effect does not increase the performance drastically ? Most games have those options, where u can disable effects, PoE does not, and still you repeat the same blahblah that it would be impossible to improve the performance. Okay, one more time: with built-in intel graphics its shouldn't be called "increasing performance" but rather "making it barely run". Even if you put in on a liquid nitrogen cooling, overclock it by 200% and whatnot, the integrated video just isn't suitable for most more or less modern games and its surely not suitable for poe. "Path of Exile's engine is currently modern, lean and fast." - Chris Wilson, September 19th, 2019	Posted by dW2005 on May 27, 2020, 5:10:30 PM Quote this Post
What are you talking about, dw2005, look at my level, I am playing and it is okay but looks unimaginably ugly. With disabled soundgroups and effectgroups it would look nice and have less massive lags on mass encounters/events. No my PC does not require an update, no I am not going to buy a new graphic card, no this problem is not solved by buying just new hardware. Last edited by Tamo_Tua on May 27, 2020, 7:53:56 PM	Posted by Tamo_Tua on May 27, 2020, 7:52:25 PM Quote this Post
" Tamo_Tua wrote: " SeCKSEgai wrote: I've never built a computer expected to see gaming use without a dedicated graphics adapter. Anything I built that relied on igp was used for basic stuff like web browsing. Yes, I do completely understand and agree on most of your statements, but I do have a reason to not anymore play on a gaming rig, because I did have one and sold it, but to discuss the reasons for it is prohibited by the forum rules. So I do not want to get into a discussion about hardware, I just want to play this game, and technically it is possible far better, than I actaully do. So what I want to do here is get hints on how to tune it better, and also get you guys who read this to support me instead of punching me in the face for having the desire to play this game. When I explain, how much higher performance can be achieved, I do not do this to harm GGG, I do this, to convince people, that it is possible, and even I can play PoE with my low end performance. Everyone will profit from more options to limit the load on the CPU and GPU. So when we all know, how to improve PoE for us then we do exactly know what we have to demand from GGG. The only ones, that do not need any performance improvement are those Elitist, who already stated, that they never had a single lag in all their life. I do not expect them to understand what solidarity means, but I expect that from everyone else. It does not help, to trample on those with less performance and say, it does not need improvements, because one has a better machine, when we could instead work together and get improvements for all of us. " SeCKSEgai wrote: Like I mentioned previously PoE isn't exactly efficient and essentially takes more power than you would otherwise need for similar performance outside of PoE. That is exactly how it is. Something they do is not delivering good results, and I would like to know more about what exactly it could be. The best would to get comments about it from programmers, who know how to improve the situation, because I really want to write a potent email to GGG Support, and therefore I need as much insight into the topic as possible. Btw. I am sure, the SSD in my "PC" does the magic trick, why I have quite good performance with most stuff. You should really think about to get one aswell. I have run games below MINIMUM Spec before - just because I can doesn't mean it's practical. You say you've had a "gaming rig" before but then still continue to claim your machine now should be perfectly adequate. My machine isn't adequate really, and I actually exceed the minimum requirements by a bit. Poe is the only game I've played in years that I've been willing to tolerate subpar performance. Also, its clear you are very unfamiliar with how a pc processes data if you think some generic ssd is the miracle worker - sure it can improve data retrieval since it's not relying on some moving platter but something has to process all that data eventually. I could overclock my video card, but given my time with PoE I'm pretty sure that this game would fry the card if I did. I get it, you want to play it but don't have adequate hardware. I fried a processor trying to eek out more performance back when 486 was still a thing. But wanting and believing something doesn't make it reality. Yep, totally over league play.	Posted by SeCKSEgai on May 27, 2020, 7:53:43 PM Quote this Post
" SeCKSEgai wrote: Also, its clear you are very unfamiliar with how a pc processes data if you think some generic ssd is the miracle worker - sure it can improve data retrieval since it's not relying on some moving platter but something has to process all that data eventually Well this ad hominem arguments do not help here at all, also you should consider the drastical improvement of reaction time of a ssd compared to a hdd. Btw. I worked for many years as hardware specialist.😅 No my PC does not require an update, no I am not going to buy a new graphic card, no this problem is not solved by buying just new hardware.	Posted by Tamo_Tua on May 27, 2020, 8:26:12 PM Quote this Post
You know what would be pretty sweet? Playing through the acts on your old account to perform an epic 7 page troll. I'm not saying I fully think that's what's up, but it seems more than likely at this point. Especially with his signature even getting changed to this. Need a new signature, cuz name change. I dunno though. I guess this seems fine. Yeah, this is good.	Posted by LV9999Majin on May 27, 2020, 8:46:12 PM Quote this Post
" Tamo_Tua wrote: " SeCKSEgai wrote: Also, its clear you are very unfamiliar with how a pc processes data if you think some generic ssd is the miracle worker - sure it can improve data retrieval since it's not relying on some moving platter but something has to process all that data eventually Well this ad hominem arguments do not help here at all, also you should consider the drastical improvement of reaction time of a ssd compared to a hdd. Btw. I worked for many years as hardware specialist.😅 Years ago back when certs were all the rage, I worked with plenty of folks who got their A+ and Microsoft Networking certs. I was honestly surprised to see how often they struggled coming up with troubleshooting solutions given that my primary foundation of knowledge was earned mostly from pc gaming. By claiming you were a hardware specialist and STILL arguing that your Intel 500 HD integrated graphics isn't a problem then you aren't painting a capable picture. As I mentioned before, the ssd reduces the time to access data, but it's still gotta get processed. There's a reason that all the cryptominer machines are running multiple high end video cards despite not being utilized for gaming. On the bright side, the new vulkan beta will hopefully address the performance issues that have worsened as new leagues have been tacked on. Yep, totally over league play.	Posted by SeCKSEgai on May 27, 2020, 11:29:19 PM Quote this Post