Jeweler's Orbs and Orbs Of Fusing - enough is enough!

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gonzaw wrote:

Ehmm....if 6L takes 3000 fusings (or just 1500 fusings) I'd never, and I mean never even try to get a 6L.

That's just too much bro. I have 7 fusings right now :(

Wow, you must be such a casual. I'll write your name on a paper just to be sure I'll never honour one of your posts with a reply!
(ofc, just kidding, man :) )

As mentioned before: a 5L or 6L must have a reasonable price (depending on what item you try to 5L or 6L...) compared to market conditions for this type of gear. Anything above 10-15 Exalts is a huge exaggeration.

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dust7 wrote:

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FadeXF wrote:

There should be 2 methods: the current "gamblers" method - and then a "guaranteed" method. The guaranteed method should cost a shit ton of materials... but that option should be made available.

I remember Chris saying a guaranteed 6l recipe would come at around 1500 fusings at least. Are you ready for this?

Im happy with that

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I'd be delighted to pay 1500 fusing just so I dont have to hand over 1/3 of that to some ^%*&^% jews traders.

Does someone have anything else to say about my suggestion, or at least the concept behind it (if the actual suggestion is not that good)?

My proposal is to make those "New Green Socket Orb" and the like very very common.

That way low level chars CAN use them (important stuff there, crafting shouldn't just be used by high-level people, if not it kind of defeats its purpose as gameplay mechanic), and players won't really have to "fight the RNG" to actually get those orbs, before having to level them up.

Even easier they could be made from a vendor recipe you can make pretty easily, like chroms/alterations/etc.

Maybe something like:

1)Vendor 1 gear with 4 green sockets->Get new green socket orb
2)Vendor gear that accumulates 10 green sockets total->Get new green socket orb

Idem for other ones.

Agreed, the other one is getting off color socket, way too low a chance.

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coli wrote:

Agreed, the other one is getting off color socket, way too low a chance.

It's meant to be that way since armors are based on the classes, you know what to expect from an EV armor piece and if you want red or blue sockets you can go for the respective hybrid gear.

Either way getting 4L armors is pretty easy, 5-6L are supposed to be rare and that's the reason they are worth so much, people just somehow get the idea they HAVE to get the 6L easily or the game isn't fair, come on, what are you? Communists?

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wbaha wrote:

Either way getting 4L armors is pretty easy, 5-6L are supposed to be rare and that's the reason they are worth so much, people just somehow get the idea they HAVE to get the 6L easily or the game isn't fair, come on, what are you? Communists?

Yeah I think many people new to the game have unrealistic expectations in terms of crafting, (gambling), 5L and 6L items.

It's meant to take 100's or even 1000's of fusings to successfully link an item but with RNG at play it also comes with a small chance to get it done with just a handful of fusings, (or anywhere in between).

As for why peoples expectations seem to be out of whack with reality? Maybe it's the Kripp effect? I haven't seen it but have read that there's a video of him getting a 6L with just 20 something fusings.

In any case, I think it's good that the trading price for 5L's are somewhat higher in OB as it now better reflects the difficulty in crafting one. Always thought it was a bit silly that a plain endgame 5L item would only sell for 2GCP's in closed beta.

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BazzV5 wrote:

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wbaha wrote:

Either way getting 4L armors is pretty easy, 5-6L are supposed to be rare and that's the reason they are worth so much, people just somehow get the idea they HAVE to get the 6L easily or the game isn't fair, come on, what are you? Communists?

Yeah I think many people new to the game have unrealistic expectations in terms of crafting, (gambling), 5L and 6L items.

It's meant to take 100's or even 1000's of fusings to successfully link an item but with RNG at play it also comes with a small chance to get it done with just a handful of fusings, (or anywhere in between).

As for why peoples expectations seem to be out of whack with reality? Maybe it's the Kripp effect? I haven't seen it but have read that there's a video of him getting a 6L with just 20 something fusings.

In any case, I think it's good that the trading price for 5L's are somewhat higher in OB as it now better reflects the difficulty in crafting one. Always thought it was a bit silly that a plain endgame 5L item would only sell for 2GCP's in closed beta.

I may be new to the game, but am not new to the genre - I played both D1 and D2 when they first came out and played them for years. The current system is just plain ridiculous. Crafting should require some skill - pure RNG is either thoughtlessness or laziness in design - or maybe a bit of both. Not saying that the designers are themselves lazy... anything but (this game is proof of that). "Difficulty" as you mentioned implies a certain amount of skill involved. There is no skill required for an RNG - your chances never improve on each subsequent try. I play online games to relax and enjoy myself... not to be aggravated beyond measure in performing an exercise in futility.

The issue is that the crafting system has a good beginning, but remains poorly finished. Top end items should be difficult to achieve, not "easy" as someone put it earlier. But a player should feel that his invested time is worth something - not subject to an RNG that never increases your chance on the 500th or even 1000th try. I've seen several good suggestions in this thread alone - I'm sure others have posted some, but I haven't been reading these forums very long. Let it be difficult... Let it take awhile... but let there be a light at the end of the tunnel. I have always been a heavy duty crafter in every online game that I have played, but am not one to set myself up for failure either. Give me a reason to invest the time and I will. Set me up for 500, 1000, or 1500 failures and I'll find something else to do.

I'd love to see skill built into the system and/or items that help you achieve a better chance at a desired hit... like the already existing MF items why can't there be items that improve crafting chance? Why not learn from improvements that have occurred over the years in crafting design rather than replicate an archaic system that was never successful as designed in D2? I have yet to see an online game get crafting right and I've been playing them for almost 20 years.

Someone earlier remarked: "If you don't like it, then uninstall" (a remark that reveals level of intelligence). It isn't about that at all - it's about "Hey this game has promise, give me a reason to keep playing". This is a Beta and constructive criticisms are supposed to be welcomed.

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johnKeys wrote:

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velrac wrote:

Here is 2 things I do to help keep the frustration down while trying to Jeweller orb and or fuse orbs.

1st. I do not attempt either one on any gear I am currently using. This way my gear/gem/link set up do not get destroyed and I am unable to continue using my skills.

2. I limit myself to using only 5 of either orb per day. This way it does not feel as though I'm burning through several hundred orbs before obtaining success.

here's a very common scenario for you:

you just got a nice support gem to drop or from trade. it's in your inventory, and you know it will boost your existing skill-set considerably, helping you take-down that boss or clear that area you couldn't previously.
the problem? you don't have free sockets/enough links on your equipped gear, and giving-up on an active skill you use every 2 seconds is NOT an option.
and look! there's an innocent Fusing/Jeweler's right there next to the portal scrolls!

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Actually right now I have a bow in my stash that I am trying to 5 link. I have had it 4 linked before so I know that it will boost my ice shot by 1050 dps and my poison arrow by 520 dps, but I can't use it w/o being a 5 link because I need to keep manna leech in my skill set up. So I will just keep using my current bow until one day I 5 link the bow in my stash or a better 5 link drops. Yet I still limit myself to only 5 fuses a day on it even though it would be a huge dps boost for me. I have done this with every 4/5/6 link that I have ever made from closed beta to now. Never gamble on breaking your current gear this way you'll never get pissed off if you ruin the link/socket set up.

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Torin wrote:

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raz0r_boy wrote:

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Undon3 wrote:

No, the point is that such a recipe will just be useless, because the market offers better alternatives.

Hence, a better recipe, that will actually be used, is needed.

No, what IS needed is for people to understand the damn meaning of RNG, and take the consequances of their choices like adults, instead of whining that stuff is broken..when in the end, they're the ones who messed up in not assesing what their action would result in.

No, what is needed is that this game does not have this much RNG. D2 didn't have half the RNG this game has and it is still a much better game.

Then i'd suggest you go play that instead.

I know that it's been stated soooo many times but what the heck, i'm in grumpyland already anyway.
a 6L is a luxury item only, there is NOT ONE build that REQUIRES a 6L, not even 1! It's just down to peoples egoism and wanting EVERYTHING that this comes down to, not a need.

The irony is that, you want the best gear, you are however not prepared to craft it cause of the potentional high cost, but in the same time you want to set a fixed, insanely high price for making just that item...when you all along could just save up the 10+ exalteds or whatever a 6L goes for, and BUY one...
I just can't get this..