The Moral Dilemma: Key Cloning and Multiboxing.

I don't think it would take a whole lot of code to disable same-IPs from joining the same instances. but people could always VPN.. And then there's areas of the world that connect through a newer method and many connections share the same IP address... So, perhaps a better solution would be to disable same-MACs from joining the same instances... Again, MAC-spoofing is possible... but any little headache we can cause to the dishonest people is good.

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I don't think the number of incidents regarding those using shared-IPs being unable to group together would be frequent enough to justify not blocking same-IPs from joining the same instance. And, I don't really care about inconveniencing a small amount of players.

BAN multiboxing at any cost, imo.

Furthermore, I would like to add that this is not a victimless crime, as every item gained by someone running multiple accounts devalues the items you acquired through legitimate means. The more multiboxing and scripting that goes on, the more it becomes the established norm and pretty soon the value of items will be seen as how likely they are to be acquired by a botnet, rather than how likely they are to be acquired by an individual.

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prowesss wrote:

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Tllyx wrote:

I'd love to hear a dev response to see if we are ever going to get a "/players #" type command so we don't have to multibox anymore.

You already don't have to multibox. Multiboxing is your choice and my point is that you're an asshat for doing it as it is dishonest and morally reprehensible.

You'll never get anyone to listen to you by insulting people like that.

The benefits to multiboxing are too great to not do it. 200% more item quantity? A ton of extra XP? Yes please.

Honestly, If it's not going to be illegal to multibox, there just needs to be a /players # command. It would eliminate people from creating 5 separate PoE accounts and there would be less tax on the servers.

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prowesss wrote:

I don't think it would take a whole lot of code to disable same-IPs from joining the same instances. but people could always VPN.. And then there's areas of the world that connect through a newer method and many connections share the same IP address... So, perhaps a better solution would be to disable same-MACs from joining the same instances... Again, MAC-spoofing is possible... but any little headache we can cause to the dishonest people is good.

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I don't think the number of incidents regarding those using shared-IPs being unable to group together would be frequent enough to justify not blocking same-IPs from joining the same instance. And, I don't really care about inconveniencing a small amount of players.

BAN multiboxing at any cost, imo.

*starts working on virtual NIC*

I kid, attacking this at the MAC address is pretty good idea.

Why do people use this WoW word?

In the past it simply called fillering.

IIRC Multiboxed was some kind of WoW word related with a multiinstance patch on WoW in combination with a click and keystroke software named something with box or boxer to it was called multiboxing.

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Tllyx wrote:

I'd love to hear a dev response to see if we are ever going to get a "/players #" type command so we don't have to multibox anymore.

Should have been asked in the Q&A with Chris

A great many multiboxers don't key clone.

In fact, I'd posit that most don't. It's far more effective to farm a reasonable boss with one high level character and some zero-effort alts. Less taxing on system resources, easier to manage, and less initial investment (gear/leveling for alts).

I'm really not sure there's any moral dilemma around key-cloning as a result. Do you have any links to streams of people doing this, or is it just hypothetical "someone must be" speak?

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Hilbert wrote:

Should have been asked in the Q&A with Chris

Ya, wish I would have been there for that or seen it.

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prowesss wrote:

While I recognize the implications making it a challenge to ban or prevent multiboxing, it is against my moral compass to multibox. As a community, we should shun and ridicule those known to participate in this behavior.

Shun me all you want, I ridicule you for your whining and obviousness of having a crap computer.


Chris already stated that he has no problems with multi-boxing.

Market will always be in free-fall because of item saturation and the game being F2P in the default league - stinks, but that's the jest of it. Guess why Blizzard created Ladders?

Thanks to the new loot-system, I will probably never run in a party again - tired of doing all the work and watching mooches grab all my drops.

Just finished my last two accounts, will be farming my own 6-man team solo tonight. Don't need a 3rd part program to do that - my computer can handle 6 clients and two vms for work at the same time plus anything else I throw at it. I took the time to rush them and level them up myself - I earned whatever drops I get. Until Chris changes his stance on it - you can count on me running my 6-man solo team any time I'm on.

Tired of you crybabies complaining about things like this because you're too lazy to level up your own team or too poor to buy a semi-decent computer to handle more than 1 app at a time. I earn my keep - so I get to play how I want. So after a hard days work and getting my kids to bed, if I want to play a 6-man team - you bet that's exactly what I'm going to do. If you want to complain about something - do it on the broken mechanics like the loot system, map drop-rate, melee, and ppl using these pay sites that I still see spammed in trade chat or whispered.

Bring on the hate, I appreciate the jealousy - not here to make friends man - I'm here to game.

Gives us /players X and suddently multiboxing is a non-issue because everyone can do it without a powerful computer and software! Yay!

Either find a way to deal with multiboxing (not likely), or give us /Players X... seems pretty simple.

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prowesss wrote:

The point of this post is to remove all doubt that use of key-cloning and/or any other 3rd party software that interacts with the client is against the Terms of Use.

Also, to illustrate the general disgust among the majority of the world's population regarding dishonest tactics such as multiboxing to spoof a group in order to cause an instance to scale-up.

There is nothing immoral about multiboxing. It is not cheating it is not lying. People was doing it in the days of Diablo II. Instead of software they use multiple computers. You ban multiboxing than you need to ban computers using the same IP address. That in itself will open a can of worms.