Reporting proven Scammer?
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Curious if there's any current mechanism of reporting a player intentionally (and easily provable) acting to scam players in trade. Is GGG completely ignoring these people, or is there something we can do about it?
All that and a bag of chips! Last bumped on Dec 28, 2019, 3:25:39 PM
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As is the case with everything else with this game, if you need help from GGG you email support@grindinggear.com
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its not possible to scam someone during normal trade window.
Whats inside the window gets traded after both parties pressed accept and have moved their mouse over items/currency. Last edited by Monkeyface#7689 on Dec 27, 2019, 5:41:09 PM
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I don't go that far... but I do place the blame on the scammed party.
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" When a player intentionally trades an item different from what they posted on trade knowing they are misleading a person to steal money from them, they are scamming a player. This is what scammers do; they choose items where the visual design better obfuscates a missing link, or has similar details that can easily be overlooked, which is exactly what happened. Make no mistake, this player went to great lengths to misrepresent the item within perhaps 2% of the stats and such to make it look like the exact same one they posted for sale. By the way, in the real world this is illegal, and depending on the amount of money involved, potentially criminal. Just because it's not illegal or criminal in the game doesn't make it any less unethical and malicious. " This is akin to saying "if you didn't want to get raped, you shouldn't have dressed that way." Which is absurd. There are people out there who act solely to mislead, lie, deceive and cheat other players. And you're saying it's the fault of those who accidentally trade with these nefarious individuals because they missed a single link or item property? This thought process improperly ignores the core of the problem: criminals (online gaming or not, in the legal world, somebody who intentionally defrauds is a criminal). Trying to pretend they aren't the source of the problem (or don't exist) just harms the community, because it's a form of passive support for their nefarious behavior. I've done some research, and scamming is a growing problem. I lost days of currency (my time and energy) because of this scammer, who I guarantee is doing the exact same thing to other people. He posted one item and traded another that was 95% like it knowing he was lying to another PoE player to steal money from them. By the way, scamming is a violation of the GGG ToS section 6, which includes punishment of being banned. Sadly, I'm seeing a sort of "Stockholm Syndrome" with PoE players, making excuses for (or completely ignoring) people who are knowingly defrauding others, somehow trying to insinuate (or flat out say) it's always the fault of the victim. Such morally bankrupt representations ensure no progress will be made to remove the real problem: people knowingly and intentionally committing fraud within the game. Note one way to address this issue would be to enhance the trade system so the only item that can be traded for a certain transaction is what was published. All that and a bag of chips! Last edited by Mooginator#1287 on Dec 27, 2019, 6:54:15 PM
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" What you say is not possible, because actual trade is done inside the game-client. Poe.trade listings are not relevant. Trade sites are just for informational purpose and also maybe outdated/old listing. There is no obligation for the seller to sell you the item listed. Whats inside the trade window gets traded only after both parties agreed and have pressed the accept button and also have moved their mouse over the items/currency. Last edited by Monkeyface#7689 on Dec 27, 2019, 6:58:21 PM
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" I'm with you bro. First time scammed today. Losing about 5ex right after Christmas left me very sad. Hope you can recover fast and may the RNG gods bless you. Cheers |
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Rape? No. Not even going to compare the two.
This isn't about what you're wearing. It's about trading an item in a game and regretting your act. You traded for an item, hit accept, and then regretted it. Must be someone else's fault! Last edited by Shagsbeard#3964 on Dec 27, 2019, 7:05:35 PM
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" This is a poor analogy. In the rape scenario, the victim has no control over the situation. When it comes to trade scams, the victim does. They control whether or not they actually look at the items for sale before they click accept. Ultimately, the scammer is the one most to blame for the scam, but the victims do need to own up to their share of the responsibility. |
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My analogy was spot on for the mentality of the representations herein.
When you have somebody intentionally acting to mislead and defraud, you cannot blame the person who falls for it except "watch out for that - there's thieves out there that will steal from you if they can". This does not remove accountability for the actual intentional act of harm and thievery. The mentality in the community regarding this is quite disturbing; it's as if people can't identify right from wrong nor easily define what needs to be addressed - like I said, the responses in here are very "Stockholm Syndrome" like. PoE is the most complex ARPG on the market, and the "value" of items and such can translate to hundreds (or more) of dollars. The fact it has such a rudimentary trading system (which people have complained about for years) that can easily scam and mislead others (due to numerous factors of mixed values, artwork obfuscating the links, etc.) has put players in some sort of mentality saying "well it is what it is and because of that any scam is your fault". Once again, this mentality is absurd and morally bankrupt. I do not subscribe to such limited and in my opinion harmful opinions (honestly, such representations only condone harm to the community). Intentional Scammers are violating the ToS and can be banned. It's that simple. In the real world, their behavior would be held criminal. Stop trying to make the victims of a growing problem the focal point; that in and of itself is a form of obfuscation and deception. PoE has a growing problem with scammers, and due to the complex nature of the game paired with the 7+ year old trade system that allows players to represent one item on the trade site and then sell another... anyone who thinks that's not an issue ensures PoE stays in the dark ages while ignoring this growing issue -- which ultimately hurts players. All that and a bag of chips! Last edited by Mooginator#1287 on Dec 27, 2019, 7:44:44 PM
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