Reporting proven Scammer?

Imagine comparing PoE scammer victims to rape victims. Way to devalue them.

Was recently scammed by a korean, selling fated connections for 6.3ex
He sold me jeweller's instead. Never cared to check the actual name of the item as i've never been scammed before.
Anyway, here's his IGN [Removed by Support]

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x7DZaebos wrote:

Anyway, here's his IGN [Removed by Support]
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This is why i do not use the trade system, and since Support removed this mans post of a character name used in game I will no longer be spending any of my hard earned money on this game. I suggest all of us who have supported financially does the same, its the only way to get it threw their thick skulls is threw their thick wallets.

Why wont GGG do some enforcement of their own rules. They are there for a reason. Enforce them or remove them from your TOS and EULAs and such.

The shame should be on the scammer not the person trying to report it. These scamming people are literally the scum of gaming. I agree something by GGG must be done about it. Maybe even a little post by a GGG administrator on a thread such as this saying "send me the evidence and I will look into it" at least then people will have a sense that GGG cares about it. I have been watching and all I have seen is what I quoted.

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ChYph3r wrote:

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x7DZaebos wrote:

Anyway, here's his IGN [Removed by Support]
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This is why i do not use the trade system, and since Support removed this mans post of a character name used in game I will no longer be spending any of my hard earned money on this game. I suggest all of us who have supported financially does the same, its the only way to get it threw their thick skulls is threw their thick wallets.

Why wont GGG do some enforcement of their own rules. They are there for a reason. Enforce them or remove them from your TOS and EULAs and such.

The shame should be on the scammer not the person trying to report it. These scamming people are literally the scum of gaming. I agree something by GGG must be done about it. Maybe even a little post by a GGG administrator on a thread such as this saying "send me the evidence and I will look into it" at least then people will have a sense that GGG cares about it. I have been watching and all I have seen is what I quoted.

They're enforcing their rules and you're complaining about it by telling them to do just what they did. That's wacko. Expecting them to expend resources to check each claim, while not expecting people to spend a second of their time to check their trades is double-wacko.

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x7DZaebos wrote:

He sold me jeweller's instead. Never cared to check the actual name of the item as i've never been scammed before.


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This function is in place to protect the buyer.

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Mooginator wrote:

My analogy was spot on for the mentality of the representations herein.

When you have somebody intentionally acting to mislead and defraud, you cannot blame the person who falls for it except "watch out for that - there's thieves out there that will steal from you if they can". This does not remove accountability for the actual intentional act of harm and thievery.

The mentality in the community regarding this is quite disturbing; it's as if people can't identify right from wrong nor easily define what needs to be addressed - like I said, the responses in here are very "Stockholm Syndrome" like.

PoE is the most complex ARPG on the market, and the "value" of items and such can translate to hundreds (or more) of dollars. The fact it has such a rudimentary trading system (which people have complained about for years) that can easily scam and mislead others (due to numerous factors of mixed values, artwork obfuscating the links, etc.) has put players in some sort of mentality saying "well it is what it is and because of that any scam is your fault". Once again, this mentality is absurd and morally bankrupt.

I do not subscribe to such limited and in my opinion harmful opinions (honestly, such representations only condone harm to the community).

Intentional Scammers are violating the ToS and can be banned. It's that simple. In the real world, their behavior would be held criminal.

Stop trying to make the victims of a growing problem the focal point; that in and of itself is a form of obfuscation and deception.

PoE has a growing problem with scammers, and due to the complex nature of the game paired with the 7+ year old trade system that allows players to represent one item on the trade site and then sell another... anyone who thinks that's not an issue ensures PoE stays in the dark ages while ignoring this growing issue -- which ultimately hurts players.

Your analogy was not spot on, not even close. You have just as much control over the outcome of the trade as the other person versus one with a very clear power dynamic. The trading system is as fair as it could possibly be. Take more than one second to verify what you're looking that, THEN press accept. You deserved to get scammed, idiot.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

They're enforcing their rules and you're complaining about it by telling them to do just what they did. That's wacko. Expecting them to expend resources to check each claim, while not expecting people to spend a second of their time to check their trades is double-wacko.

Im not complaining at all. I dont use the trade system in games because of stuff like this. I trade with friends and guildies thats all. But they need to enforce rules that they have. But in order to enforce rules there needs to be proof that a wrong was committed and yes that requires them to do some work on GGGs side. If that is to hard for them, then they dont need to make a game. just saying.

it's idiocy to mention all player names a scammer could come up with in any forums because this is a free game where account/char creation doesn't cost anything!

it's much better to teach players to check the content of the trade screen.

rule of thumb: check as often as the amount of exalts you exchange

1 - No player in this game can be scammed; they can only participate in and enable a scam.

Both sides of a trade in POE have the absolute ability to back out of a trade at any time before accepting it. There is no clock limiting the time the trade window is up. There is no auto-accepting of trades.

Every trade requires both participants to visually inspect every item in the trade window before clicking accept. The only way to receive an item you didn't want is to be careless in your visual inspection, and click accept anyway.

So in reality, the "victim" of every scam is partially responsible for the scam. It is impossible for it to be otherwise.

2 - Players who allow themselves to be scammed are the ones who encourage and enable "pro scammers". If those scammed players took responsibility and care with their trades, pro scammers would not (could not) exist. So, players who allow themselves to be scammed are active contributors to the very problem we're here complaining about.

Why do people scam trades in this game? Several reasons. Some are jerks, and just don't care about other players and will hurt them to get something they want. Some are role-playing, as this is the harsh, cut-throat world of Wraeclast, after all. But none of them would bother if players on the other side of the trade paid attention. It would be a waste of time to try.

The best solution to the scamming problem? Don't allow yourself to be scammed. It's entirely in your control. And if you see somebody complaining about being scammed, remind them that it's entirely in their control, too.

3 - The assertion that "in the real world" people who do this are criminally prosecuted is silly. This isn't some licensed business selling you their wares in a regulated marketplace. This is two strangers meeting in an alley somewhere bartering goods. Try telling a cop "Johnny123 over there in the corner promised be X but he gave me Y instead, now go arrest him" and see how long you get laughed at. They don't have the resources or inclination to investigate, and neither should GGG.

4 - So what should you do if you allow yourself to be scammed? First, own up to it. You had complete control over the trade, yet you allowed it to happen. You are partially responsible. Resolve to not allow it to happen again.

If you are particularly salty about it, contact GGG support. If they determine that this is a problem player, they'll follow up on it.

But... don't bother posting about it in the community forums, because there is no possible way for the community to tell whether you are being truthful or are falsely blaming some other player to hurt them. That's exactly why GGG has a "no name and shame" policy. Contact GGG privately for help.

5 - Since this kind of thing is completely and absolutely avoidable using the existing in-game trade window, the community's empathy for those who allow themselves to be scammed has eroded over time.

These "scammed" players are not victims of a crime that they had no control over. They were not burgled or robbed. They didn't have their stash broken into by a hacker. Nothing was done to them. They agreed to a trade they weren't paying attention to, and willingly accepted it. The solution is simple and readily available, and has been so for years.

So don't come to the forums and complain about a trade you regret accepting and expect the community to sit by your side gnashing their teeth and wailing for the victim. If you allowed yourself to be scammed, you are helping to perpetuate the environment that encourages scam attempts. Why do scammers exist in this game? Why do I have to double and triple-check every trade I partake in? Because players like you enable the scammers.

Please learn from your mistake, and move on.

Some people try to scam me but I did not fall for it ( this was like 3 leagues ago) but they are SCUMBAGS, and will keep on doing it tell they get a ban and they will just start again there is not much they GGG will/can do to stop it

samers = SCUMBAGS any way you slice it