by watching how they race, it makes melee so shit to play

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Exxxiled665 wrote:

the 36 was tie as well
i doubt anyone besides him can do UE at such low level

give us the character and a bunch of people would do it, the hardest part is a super optimized low level character which is entirely reliant on Abyss jewels/tempest bow etc AFAIK hence the 32 lvl limit.

Anyone who runs uber elder regularly knows circle strafe is basically godmode, you have to occasionally do some manual dodging of a mechanic but the trash hits for nothing and aside from elders zones you need to run into your 100% safe running around the outside.

Note this isn't to say that it isn't a really impressive feat, just that having access to the character will stop an overwhelming majority from even attempted it.

The control scheme simply favours ranged over melee. It's a point to click game. What feels more attractive and effective. It is certainly not pointing at the screen to initiate movement, and then once at the clicked location then perform an attack.

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Aynix wrote:

In a game where monster attacks can be evaded characters that attack from the distance will ALWAYS be better, no matter what you do. You would need to make melle literally immortal (so they wont need to dodge anything) for it to be better.

I wouldnt say that. Like before I left d3 in like 1.4 WW barb was king. (or queen if you played the red headed girl) Farmed fastest and best survival.

In Titan quest Spear Haruspex was, also melee.

They just have to cripple DPS of range/spells more so you have to kite and have longer haul fights. This game one button press wipes out all packs so AOE and range will be superior all else being equal..

D3 barb/melee classes has a flat 30% damage reduction though which is like the laziest we can't balance this fix possible.

Not to say that GGG couldn't learn something there but i wouldn't really go to D3 if i was looking for great melee ideas

as is ALWAYS the case range will beat melee due to the safety range has vs being in close.

It is especially prevalent in a race setting because the rewards are greater so why take chances when you can be well out of the way of danger and still do damage.

Dose that mean melee is shit or bad to play?

No, i fucking dose not

What it means is that idiots will always flock to what they "feel" is better

There are several ways to improve melee vs ranged:
- make melee weapon notables on the passive tree also reduce incoming damage (8% for each specific weapon notable and 4% for non-specific for example) !this one can be done without nerfing other play styles!
- make all ranged clearing support gems do less damage with each additional arrow, fork, chain and pierce
- make all automated skills like brands or worbs hit single target instead of area
- make high area spells do way less damage

Howerver, there are many players who like it as it is now. Players who like to play slower can do it as long as league mechanic is not time/speed based which I hope Metamorph will be and Betrayal and Bestiary was. Which were hated so much btw.

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sirgog wrote:

Keep in mind that the people who were racing at Exilecon are the best of the best - undoubtedly any of them could perform almost as well with Sunder as they do with OOS.

Really, really doubt this will ever happen.

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JOJOMEOW wrote:

61min in and you have just killed kitava, do ggg consider "balacing" between casters and melee?

Casters over powered or is it just that GGG telling you do not play melee.

Are they considering to buff melee or nerf casters in order to make a more diverse game play in future race game play?

Watching top 4 speed runners play the same type of styles is boring.

Folks whats your thoughts.

You're reading too much into this.
Let's say they all went melee and their times were 5 minutes longer, would you still complain?
Right now, it just so happens that the caster setup they run is the fastest to Act 5 Kitava.
If the winning scenario were 1st to T16 maps, maybe they would have went with a different setup.
So you really can't say what is better than the other when the winner only needs to kill Act 5 Kitava.

Looks at d3 barb
Spins in the middle of the screen when some lightning shit is killing mobs two screens away
Melee LUL

MMORPGs are handling it much better usually, not only by damage/hp values but by introducing mechanics that fuck up RDPs specifically. In PoE boss just spawns void zones and then stands in them XOXOXOXO