by watching how they race, it makes melee so shit to play
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It's about targeting. Melee you have to be in attack range AND target. Spells don't have to do either. That's the problem that needs fixing.
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Yes, melee is shit compared to other non-melee ranged or caster skills, but using the ExileCon end race as an example isn't fair. Racing almost always requires a glass cannon type of ranged AoE build to kill the mob packs as fast as possible. Expert knowledge in using points for offensive DPS verses defensive protection is what makes for a top player. They know exactly how close they can get to the edge of death but still survive and power their way through to win the race.
But even if GGG does another round of melee attack damage buffs it'll never enjoy the same clear speed. Any real melee skill (like Double Strike for example) just isn't covering enough area (limited AoE) to smash-n-dash in a race. Even with Legion League melee improvements like this: " no true melee skill is impactful enough to use for racing. "You've got to grind, grind, grind at that grindstone..." Necessity may be the mother of invention, but poor QoP in PoE is the father of frustration. The perfect solution to fix Trade Chat: www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2247070 Last edited by Arrowneous#3097 on Nov 23, 2019, 6:37:12 AM
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" THe lvl 36 BOW kill. He got 2 6 links on that. He must have gotten somebody to help him get past areas without levelling to do that to be level 36 at uber elder. 2nd that guy has tons of skill, if you offered him 2k to do it with melee could probably do it, 99% of that kill is perfect positioning and leaving as he is about to get trapped. That zombie summoner is like level 96 and a shaper mace so possibly +3s to zombie and many other bonuses. I have bean Uber elder unarmed though with face breakers couple of seasons ago, so basically no range, no crit cyclone. Uber elder hasne been the end game for the last couple of seasons. The most expensive item two seasons ago were the legion jewels, if you were lucky to get one, it was worth more than mirrors. See Ziz's auction. Last season the oils were the supposed to be the most expensive but because people found ways to do do high tier blight maps dropped the price. Still priced at 200c. |
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" Many people have killed uber elder in the strangest ways possible, as a lvl 36 char, with naked characters, on an "1-link" setup, with a grand total of 1 life and 0 es, even afk builds have managed to kill uber elder deathless. And people that do this kind of things love to brag about it, post a youtube video and link it on reddit or in this forum. The problem is, that I have never seen anyone brag about something like this using a melee setup, all of them used bows, minions or spells, why? Because melee is shit, as a ranged character you can dodge projectiles, which allows you to ignore your defense as long as you are skilled enough to dodge everything, but with melee you really have to invest into your char to even be able to beat uber elder |
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" I killed uber elder unarmed and with cyclone. The only decent thing I had was a near max roll facebreaker and a 5 link chest. And I have only ever killed him with that build. Then again I make my own builds and dont really min max much. And I am pretty sure that guy tie23 would be able to do it. His movement with stops is impeccable. And he wasnt really dodging the ice shards or the beam rather, he was making circles for the most part. People build melee to kill uber elder in like less than a minute, look at demi's items. Melee is for the top end of damage. Spells and bows done even come close. But at the moment anyone can do uber elder, which is why they are doubling the health or more on enemies in maps on wards. Effectively giving more meaning to those kills. |
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It simply isn't possible to perfectly balance as many skills as there are in this game, especially considering the number of alterations and augments from support gems, ascendencies, passives, and equipment that affect them. Something will always be more powerful and efficient, even if it just means that Build A kills an average of .1 second faster than Build B.
If a player values speed and efficiency above all else, this makes Build A clearly superior and the only viable option. In a race, performing the same action one-tenth of a second faster, 10,000 times over the course of the race, saves 1,000 seconds or about 16 min 40 seconds. This can mean the difference between winning the race and/or placing high enough for bragging rights/prizes and falling out of the top 10 or whatever. Even if the goal of the player is to collect as much currency/chase items as possible, this efficiency means thousands more kills over the same period of time and thus (tens of?) thousands more chances for a valuable drop. Generally speaking, melee skills are also more problematic because being in melee range also exposes you to opponent's melee attacks while being able to attack from a distance does not. Dying more often slows you down (or eliminates you entirely from hardcore) so skills that don't expose you to enemy melee as often are inherently superior for these purposes. Finally, if they rebalanced skills to give melee an obvious advantage, the complaints would be that casters suck, everyone plays Dual Strike Jugg/Champion or whatever is most efficient and if you want to play a Witch the only question is do you want zombies or skeletons to punch enemies in the face for you because spells don't clear maps fast enough. There is a certain percentage of customers who will never be satisfied. Regardless of claims that "the customer is always right," this segment of the market costs more than it spends and is generally ignored. |
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" Loooool @ uber elder less than a minute and melee is for the top end damage. Dude i mean you are registered long enough to not be n00b so at this point pure troll must be considered. The phases make it impossible for anyone to kill uber elder in less than a minute. World record is a summoner with something like 1.3X minute time. Anyways like Facebreake "unarmed" is some kind of achievement killing uber elder and be comparable with naked necromancer or lvl 36 bow build. Dont make me laugh please. Last edited by zzang#1847 on Nov 23, 2019, 2:01:17 PM
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Its not melee, its attacks in general. Spells get damage from skill, attacks get it from weapon. Imagine having weapon that "levels up" together with you. Thats what spell casters in PoE are, pretty much.
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It works pretty well as Marauder to use the same setups as the racers with Orb of Storms etc., take the Dark Art's cluster and Elemental Overload. You will crush everything until you reach maps and can change to different gear.
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" Upload a video of YOU doing it in 61 minutes and they maybe think about changing things! ;o) German saying: Schönheit und Funktionalität in Sekundenschnelle zu ruinieren, ist dem wahren Dilettanten keine Herausforderung!
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