What is wrong with the strongboxes?

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MoLoK13 wrote:

Try not standing next to it...

Exactly. The common wisdom is to plan which way you are going to move, put up a totem, open the strongbox, and then get the hell away from it as fast as possible. There are only the tank builds that can just stand there and take the hit. Strongboxes are "working as intended."

1. Never leave your hideout without an anti-freeze flask. If you don't ID boxes and open them as-is, the flask will save you from possibly freezing and getting ganged up on or an ice nova trap 1shotting you.

2. Use a movement skill. The second you tag the box, get the hell away from it. This will keep mobs from swarming you and any traps from killing you. I recommend using a movement skill twice to make sure you're a safe distance away from ice novas.

3. The boxes are worth the risk, especially if you're mapping and stack sextant mods that improve strongbox monster drop quantity. I can tell you from experience that I once ran a map with Monstrous Treasure prophecy active (turns the entire map into strongboxes) while it was under the effect of a sextant mod. I walked out with a TON of currency and other valuables.

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Tyrion2 wrote:

I have 5k hp...I havent died because of strongboxes for ages.
You activate the box, move away, kill everything and come back when the box opens. easy as that

I have already told that 100k+ dmg one-shot feels like a bug on regular maps and happens VERY VERY VERY RARE.
I have already told that everyone just saying how to avoid that bug.
You all just continue to say how to avoid this.... idk how to continue this discussion. Feels like speaking with the wall.

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Tyrion2 wrote:

Its like standing in shapers beam and getting angry that you lose hp

I can give you my account and if you'll make a video, where you are able to kill my AG with the Shaper's beam - I'll admit that i'm just stupid and was wrong, and will give you a couple of exalts as a reward.

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Tyrion2 wrote:

btw...when you have an AG so expensive...swap blood magic with minion life

I'll mention it for the forth time. I thought that my AG was immortal, cause he survived EVERYTHING and was alive for HUNDREDS of hours deathless.

Everyone who replied here have never been in such situation. Because it's very UNCOMMON. That is why it's so easy to tell that i'm noob or cry-baby. That is why i posted it here.

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Arrowneous wrote:

There are only the tank builds that can just stand there and take the hit. Strongboxes are "working as intended."

Tell me which tank build have 100k ehp as my AG had.

P.S. I think the mods were Point blank + detonate corpses + smth else.

This is 100% on you man. It sucks to lose that much currency on the AG but how do you not have a cast when damage taken offering setup? If you did, it would have automatically triggered, blown up all the corpses around you and saved your life along with the AG. I can stand on top of any strongbox in the game on my summoner and ignore the vaal detonate dead mod (the most dangerous mod by far) due to this.

What you have, which is a cast while channeling offering setup linked to cyclone is awesome but it is entirely possible to die within the cooldown period before cast while channeling can cast your offering. Vaal detonate dead is a dodge or die mechanic if you can't remove the corpses. You can eat 10 or more explosions in the .35 to .70 seconds it would have taken you to cast yours.

This isn't a bug. This isn't unbalanced. You have the tools to trivialize this mechanic on a necromancer. You didn't use it and tried to ignore the mechanic. That wasn't wise. Carry an anti freeze flask and just movement skill out of it in the future. You can also change your gems to include cast when damage taken.

You keep saying it's a bug but that is how vaal detonate dead works. Each corpse detonated does a decent amount of damage. All the corpses explode within 1-2 seconds. When you have 40-50 corpses exploding this is more damage than anything else in the game. It can do that level of damage because it is avoidable.

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lunnnar wrote:

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Tyrion2 wrote:

I have 5k hp...I havent died because of strongboxes for ages.
You activate the box, move away, kill everything and come back when the box opens. easy as that

I have already told that 100k+ dmg one-shot feels like a bug on regular maps and happens VERY VERY VERY RARE.
I have already told that everyone just saying how to avoid that bug.
You all just continue to say how to avoid this.... idk how to continue this discussion. Feels like speaking with the wall.

Its not a bug...this is what happens when you stand on a pile of exploding bodies.

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lunnnar wrote:

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Tyrion2 wrote:

Its like standing in shapers beam and getting angry that you lose hp

I can give you my account and if you'll make a video, where you are able to kill my AG with the Shaper's beam - I'll admit that i'm just stupid and was wrong, and will give you a couple of exalts as a reward.

Never said your AG dies, right?
But okay, give me your account...^^

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lunnnar wrote:

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Tyrion2 wrote:

btw...when you have an AG so expensive...swap blood magic with minion life

I'll mention it for the forth time. I thought that my AG was immortal, cause he survived EVERYTHING and was alive for HUNDREDS of hours deathless.

Everyone who replied here have never been in such situation. Because it's very UNCOMMON. That is why it's so easy to tell that i'm noob or cry-baby. That is why i posted it here.

You thought wrong...there is no immortal in PoE.
My AG didn't die once and it has 1ex gear on it.
Its UNCOMMON to find Mirrors...yet it CAN happen at any time, even though you played HUNDREDS of hours without finding one.

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lunnnar wrote:

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Arrowneous wrote:

There are only the tank builds that can just stand there and take the hit. Strongboxes are "working as intended."

Tell me which tank build have 100k ehp as my AG had.

P.S. I think the mods were Point blank + detonate corpses + smth else.

The are no limits of the damage "detonates nearby corpses" can deal...more corpses, more dmg
(Im not sure if map modifiers add dmg)

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Kahirn wrote:

how do you not have a cast when damage taken offering setup? If you did, it would have automatically triggered, blown up all the corpses around you and saved your life along with the AG. I can stand on top of any strongbox in the game on my summoner and ignore the vaal detonate dead mod (the most dangerous mod by far) due to this.

Very cool lifehack btw!

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Kahirn wrote:

You keep saying it's a bug but that is how vaal detonate dead works. Each corpse detonated does a decent amount of damage.

Can you please give examples where else in the game we can encounter this mechanic?

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lunnnar wrote:

Can you please give examples where else in the game we can encounter this mechanic?

Bameth
There use to be a crab invasion boss with it too, not sure if this boss can still spawn.

Those monsters have questionable design because if you don't know what they do, you just get screwed without much that you can do to avoid it.
But the box mod ? It's literally written on it, there is no excuse there.



Vaal DD is nothing more than a chaining DD, and many monsters can use Detonate dead.

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lunnnar wrote:

I have already told that 100k+ dmg one-shot feels like a bug on regular maps and happens VERY VERY VERY RARE.
I have already told that everyone just saying how to avoid that bug.

This is not a bug.

This is only your mistake.

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OH NOES

MAH OP METABUILD LOST BECAUSE I MINDLESSLY FACETANKED SOMETHING THE GAME EXPECTED ME TO DODGE

WHAT DO

NERF PLZ GGG

Seriously 10/10 thread, I lol'd at least 4 times reading through this.