What is wrong with the strongboxes?

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lunnnar wrote:
Yes, i think it was detonate corpses, what else it can be? Thank you for your answer, now i know a little bit more about strongboxes. I thought that there are only two things that could kill well adjusted AG: HOGM map, and some spots at very deep delve. But don't you find illogical that one simple strongbox with some alchemist orb reward stands in one row with that? Ok, lets leave AG. Is the reward of 1 alchemist orb or other trash that is usually dropped out of these boxes worth 10% of exp on 95+ level? Can it be more dangerous than Uber Elder beams? I can survive a couple of them, but direct explosion without flasks or other active defencive skills - just instadeath. No matter what amout of ehp do u have. This is just absurd.


This is not about the strongboxes, but their mods, which can appear elsewhere in the game too. You can meet detonate corpses randomly as well (like by a Breach boss) which are the same dangerous.

And no, I do not feel, that detonate corpse is too much; when a couple dozens of corpses are exploding on You, that shall have its (deadly) results.

But really, it is not the strongboxes themselves, that is why I wanted to find out, what mod You had the problem with, as an unfortunately placed detonate corpse explosion can kill You and Your whole minion army at a lot of other places in the game in the exact same way.
All-time non-streamer luckless dropless rewardless tons-of-time-playing non-TFT-er 100% solo player.
So, it just turns out, we were lied to for years with the promises of a two-storied one PoE 4.0.
All these worse and worse beta leagues, all these braindead changes, all lead to this.
Playing red maps in SSF HC, opening any non unique strongbox unid pretty much ... haven't died to one in ages ....


Just don't stand there like a tree.


PS : if Vaal DD is what is killing the OP, he can use ...... corpse disposal mechanics ffs ....
And those mods are written on the box, if you don't know what mods boxes can roll and open them unid, or just without reading them, blame's one you OP, 100%.
It is on you anyway but it's even more obvious if you don't bother reading.


I'm glad that the game still has some -very avoidableà- mechanics like this to kill exiles, what a snooze fest it would be otherwise.

SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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lunnnar wrote:
What is wrong with the strongboxes?
Nothing.

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lunnnar wrote:
I think strongboxes are totaly broken in this game and should be fixed. I'm a totally overgeared necomancer and farm any part of the content which i want with my 15k ehp and max resistances. But that damn strongboxes are pissing me off with constant losses of exp.

And now i have encountered one that oneshooted me, my Animated Guardian with the gear of 10 exalts+ and who NEVER DIED for 100 hours+ of endgame content gameplay, my Carrion Golem and half of my zombies. WTF??? This shit isn't so much rewarding in order to come to a such risks.

Please do something, because there is no something in this game which brings so much pain and frustration.
Just step away after you open a strongbox. Is this your 1st character ever?

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lunnnar wrote:
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MoLoK13 wrote:
Try not standing next to it...

The best strategy is just not open it.
This is not the best strategy.

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lunnnar wrote:
tell how is that possible that my overgeared 23/23 AG with tons of HP, hp regen, ful res, meat shield support, fortify and other things GET ONESHOTED by damn strongbox on REGULAR MAP.
"Detonate nearby corpses" with a lot of corpses.

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lunnnar wrote:
I permamently lost 10 exalts + just in one second. And for what??? Rewards from these chests are absurdly stupid. Maximum what you can get is the bunch of Div cards. Is it worth?
Depends on who is playing. If you are dying again and again from strongboxes - then probably not.

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lunnnar wrote:
I thought that there are only two things that could kill well adjusted AG: HOGM map, and some spots at very deep delve. But don't you find illogical that one simple strongbox with some alchemist orb reward stands in one row with that? Ok, lets leave AG. Is the reward of 1 alchemist orb or other trash that is usually dropped out of these boxes worth 10% of exp on 95+ level? Can it be more dangerous than Uber Elder beams? I can survive a couple of them, but direct explosion without flasks or other active defencive skills - just instadeath. No matter what amout of ehp do u have. This is just absurd.
Absurd is complains about deaths from strongboxes.

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Last edited by DivineChampion#3546 on Nov 10, 2019, 10:06:55 PM
Wow, imagine the tears if this person had been around for Invasion lol.

Guys, you all just didn't get the point. My AG have died only once for HUNDREDS hours of gameplay, when i came to a HOGM map at first time. I've opened a THOUSAND strongboxes, without reading the discription. Yes, i've died several times from explosions and other things, but that is a price which i ready to pay for clearing speed. But after all that things, the fact that is something that can oneshoot my AG who have around 100k ehp seems like a bug. And you all just telling how to avoid that bug. It happened not while doing Uber Elder, Uber Atziri, Catharina, Aul and other top rewarding spots, where 100k+ instadmg could be ok, cause it is the most challenging end-game content. NO. All of that just an easy mode piece of cake for me. It happened while REGULAR t16 mapping with 75% IQ. I don't know how else to get the idea.
Last edited by lunnnar#1499 on Nov 11, 2019, 9:27:04 AM
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Magnumaniac wrote:
Wow, imagine the tears if this person had been around for Invasion lol.



Tells the person whos maximum character lvl is 92 and it's the only character of all with 90+.
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lunnnar wrote:
Guys, you all just didn't get the point. My AG have died only once for HUNDREDS hours of gameplay, when i came to a HOGM map at first time. I've opened a THOUSAND strongboxes, without reading the discription. Yes, i've died several times from explosions and other things, but that is a price which i ready to pay for clearing speed. But after all that things, the fact that is something that can oneshoot my AG who have around 100k ehp seems like a bug. And you all just telling how to avoid that bug. It happened not while doing Uber Elder, Uber Atziri, Catharina, Aul and other top rewarding spots, where 100k+ instadmg could be ok, cause it is the most challenging end-game content. NO. All of that just an easy mode piece of cake for me. It happened while REGULAR t16 mapping with 75% IQ. I don't know how else to get the idea.



I have 5k hp...I havent died because of strongboxes for ages.
You activate the box, move away, kill everything and come back when the box opens. easy as that

Its like standing in shapers beam and getting angry that you lose hp


btw...when you have an AG so expensive...swap blood magic with minion life
Last edited by Tyrion2#1155 on Nov 11, 2019, 11:22:01 AM
Classic case of Git Gud. Do no stand beside strongboxes when you open them.

Some of the most dangerous ones are those that explode corpses, I think that was the case.

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lunnnar wrote:
The best strategy is just not open it.


"There's no thing like random one-shots in this game. You only die because you take 353,456,237 hits in 0.2 seconds."

"The best items in the game should not be crafted, they should be TRADED." - Cent, GGG
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lunnnar wrote:
It happened while REGULAR t16 mapping with 75% IQ.

I guess we found a roots of the issue with the strongboxes.
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Last edited by DivineChampion#3546 on Nov 11, 2019, 1:41:53 PM
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MoLoK13 wrote:
I'm just puzzled now.

How to safely open T16 strongbox --

1. Activate all flasks, one of which includes a freeze immunity.
2. Click the box.
3. Use instant movement skill to get at least half a screen away. Use convocation to bring your minions with you.

And... you are safe!

I checked your build and it appears you were so greedy for clear speed you neglect to have even an unlinked Flame Dash. That would fix your problem.

This.

Strongboxes are from the good old days, where you had to learn it the hard way that every risk in this game can be mitigated by coming up with a propper solution. GGG likes to telegraph "you're doing it wrong" with a randomized one-shot mechanics like this. However, recent power creep made it less obvious though...
Let's explore new playstyles - Play it your own way, not just like the others.
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