+1 Spectre Body Armour and the Midnight Bargain - My issues with the changes

you keep insinuating i said this. i even quoted myself saying... not that.

i even asked for citations (yeah, still nothing!). and yet...

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SilentSymphony wrote:

just for reference to what is and is not possible, here you go.

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Gem level 21 + skill tree = 4 Spectres
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Delve Chest = 5 Spectres
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Gem level 21 + 1 from boots = 22 + empower 4 = 25 + necromancer ascendancy = 27 + fossil crafted +3 minion helmet with +1 to int or str gems 31 = 6 Spectres

so thats 6 spectres without midnight bargain or convoking wands.

I have 6 spectres without empower and no bone helmet at all. That was initial meaning of my linking sword, what OP ignored and dong got it. I just was lazy to explain. Meh. Sorry.

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robmafia wrote:

you keep insinuating i said this. i even quoted myself saying... not that.

i even asked for citations (yeah, still nothing!). and yet...

Not that i should be responsible to recant to you everything that you have said but here:

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robmafia wrote:

...there's no implication. you explicitly stated that you want more spectres.

Which is incorrect i do not want more spectres i want using 2x midnight bargain to result in 2 more spectres than any other endgame spectre build, not more than i have now.

And while technically it is possible the power differences between pretty much every other configuration are clearly more powerful, the sacrifice to reach 8 spectres on top of the 60% reservation.. it might as well be a wet noodle compared to a 5 spectre on a 2hander or a single midnight+victario's build and the costs are significantly lower not that the double bargain is not already a wet noodle compared to the dps that is possible on the other builds if done properly.

So i posted about it because it bothers me, as this is the feedback forum i shall continue to do so on anything else i do not like.

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DarkJen wrote:

I have 6 spectres without empower and no bone helmet at all. That was initial meaning of my linking sword, what OP ignored and dong got it. I just was lazy to explain. Meh. Sorry.

I did not ignore you, I asked what you were getting at lol

Also you don't need a bone helmet for that :P

That sword doesn't bother me in the slightest though i feel like it really needs some love.. the armour however does bother me a great deal.

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Which is incorrect i do not want more spectres i want using 2x midnight bargain to result in 2 more spectres than any other endgame spectre build,

WHICH IT DOES.

again, the only exception to this is... one you are not even talking about (ie: convoking wands).

ffs, man.

the examples you keep complaining about (pledge, the helm, etc) - will ALL have +1 max spectre each when using midnight.

what are you talking about?

replace pledge with midnight = +1 max spectres
replace pledge with 2 midnights = +2 max spectres

that stupid bone helm setup (which you said was excluding convoking wands, so): with a midnight... +1 max spectres. with 2 midnights, +2 max spectres.

etc and etc

STILL waiting for those citations.

also, lolz.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

Which is incorrect i do not want more spectres i want using 2x midnight bargain to result in 2 more spectres than any other endgame spectre build, not more than i have now.

Put in simple terms:
- Without Midnight Bargain: You have X spectres
- With Midnight Bargain: You have X+2 spectres

In other words, the game supplies EXACTLY what you want.

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robmafia wrote:

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Which is incorrect i do not want more spectres i want using 2x midnight bargain to result in 2 more spectres than any other endgame spectre build,

WHICH IT DOES.

again, the only exception to this is... one you are not even talking about (ie: convoking wands).

ffs, man.

the examples you keep complaining about (pledge, the helm, etc) - will ALL have +1 max spectre each when using midnight.

what are you talking about?

replace pledge with midnight = +1 max spectres
replace pledge with 2 midnights = +2 max spectres

that stupid bone helm setup (which you said was excluding convoking wands, so): with a midnight... +1 max spectres. with 2 midnights, +2 max spectres.

etc and etc

STILL waiting for those citations.

also, lolz.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

Convoking

oh but i did talk about them, I'll let you go find that.

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Cyzax wrote:

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SilentSymphony wrote:

Which is incorrect i do not want more spectres i want using 2x midnight bargain to result in 2 more spectres than any other endgame spectre build, not more than i have now.

Put in simple terms:
- Without Midnight Bargain: You have X spectres
- With Midnight Bargain: You have X+2 spectres

In other words, the game supplies EXACTLY what you want.

No it does not really at least at a fair cost for other builds which are not running double midnight bargain which is the other half of the point of this thread.

omg.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

No it does not really at least at a fair cost for other builds which are not running double midnight bargain which is the other half of the point of this thread.

How can it be half the point if there was no point to start with?

Improvise, adapt, overcome!
- Gunnery Sergeant Thomas Highway

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Cyzax wrote:

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SilentSymphony wrote:

No it does not really at least at a fair cost for other builds which are not running double midnight bargain which is the other half of the point of this thread.

How can it be half the point if there was no point to start with?

Improvise, adapt, overcome!
- Gunnery Sergeant Thomas Highway

The point is that i do not beleive extra spectres that other builds can obtain in 3.8 are at a great enough cost to be fair to the midnight bargains sacrifice to the point that the double midnight bargain is not worth it anymore compared to the much easier to build around options.

and yet, you're using midnight bargains, disproving your own claim.