+1 Spectre Body Armour and the Midnight Bargain - My issues with the changes

I've been playing necro before we even had ascendancy pretty much since i started back in 2013 and one of my biggest goals this whole time was to make a 6 spectre build work using both midnight bargains and due to the 60% reservation and inability to use chaos inoculation with it it has been quite difficult at times to balance survivability with my offensive capability into endgame.

This recent patch has been wonderful for me as i can now use a shavronnes wrappings and achieve this 6 spectre build with crazy levels of survival however this leaves me with 6 spectres and only one 6 link.. while the midnight bargain has been buffed quite a bit from its original state this patch i still have an issue..

The delve +1 to maximum spectres body armour allows a summoner with two 6 links to have 5 spectres at essentially zero cost outside of obtaining the armour in a useable state or anulling it down which can be quite costly sometimes but this patch thankfuly for those who wanted that armour are able to obtain it much easier..

However that is increasing the maximum number of spectres previously obtainable on these already powerful builds by 1 considering the previous maximum with the armour + boots was 4 and of course 6 with 2 midnight bargains..

Some might say but the midnight bargain was buffed! well i can hardly compare that to the damage increase of being able to slot those spectres into the 7link Pledge of Hands which in most cases can effectively double thed dps of those pets outright and stacks with an additional spell echo gem basically tripling the outgoing dps.. not to mention these users are then capable of having a second minion in a 6 slot body armour potentially increasing their outgoing dps MUCH more.

so the 120% damage from the midnight bargain on top of having a 60% life reservation that CANNOT be mitigated with reservation nodes or through any other methods in the game is basically unfair in terms of cost vs power side by side with the new specter builds that are possible now that you have made 5 spectres essentially the default for an endgame summoner not using the midnight bargains.

I should have 2 more spectres than any other spectre build not using 2x midnight bargain if i am fully invested into raise spectre as my core skill.

so please GGG consider one of these things:
Add a 30% reservation of life to the spectre body armour
Allow the midnight bargain reservation to be mitigated by reservation nodes
Add a fated 2 handed version of the midnight bargain
??? something to make sense of this sillyness

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The Midnight Bargain is my favorite item in this game and the logical part of me is screaming that it is now pointless to use it anymore, that is really heart breaking because eventually that logic is going to win this battle and i will abandon my wands, i can only hope you hear me GGG, I will continue to faithfully hunt down and sacrifice the (unbelievers)botters to your (angels)support staff in hopes my prayers are answered.
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DarkJen wrote:






wut? not sure what you are getting at there.
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SilentSymphony wrote:




wut? not sure what you are getting at there.


Yep
It changed
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DarkJen wrote:

Yep
It changed


I seriously have no idea what it has to do with this topic.

??? like what are you trying to get at, what is your point O-o Pretty please go into further details.
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Last edited by SilentSymphony#3358 on Oct 5, 2019, 11:59:46 PM
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this really is the current state of the game.

the most OP build/archetype/etc right now... isn't OP enough for people and they feel like they are entitled to have more spectres so 65 shapers can be killed/second, instead of 50.

the power creep is disgusting, and people just want even more of it.
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robmafia wrote:
this really is the current state of the game.

the most OP build/archetype/etc right now... isn't OP enough for people and they feel like they are entitled to have more spectres so 65 shapers can be killed/second, instead of 50.

the power creep is disgusting, and people just want even more of it.


Are you implying that i want more spectres? i want the chestpiece removed or nerfed at this point since it now adds +1 spectre over the previous maximum without the 2 midnight bargains
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SilentSymphony wrote:
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robmafia wrote:
this really is the current state of the game.

the most OP build/archetype/etc right now... isn't OP enough for people and they feel like they are entitled to have more spectres so 65 shapers can be killed/second, instead of 50.

the power creep is disgusting, and people just want even more of it.


Are you implying that i want more spectres? i want the chestpiece removed or nerfed at this point since it now adds +1 spectre over the previous maximum without the 2 midnight bargains


...there's no implication. you explicitly stated that you want more spectres.

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SilentSymphony wrote:
I should have 2 more spectres than any other spectre build not using 2x midnight bargain if i am fully invested into raise spectre as my core skill.



lolz. are you freakin' serious? after alllllllll of that? the thread you/shieldbreaker bumped for months and complained about for so long, and now you pull a 180 and want it removed/nerfed? YOU/shieldbreaker WERE THE ONES WANTING IT BUFFED VIA INCREASED DROP RATES. hahahaha

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2529405




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Last edited by robmafia#7456 on Oct 8, 2019, 4:32:53 PM
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robmafia wrote:
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SilentSymphony wrote:
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robmafia wrote:
this really is the current state of the game.

the most OP build/archetype/etc right now... isn't OP enough for people and they feel like they are entitled to have more spectres so 65 shapers can be killed/second, instead of 50.

the power creep is disgusting, and people just want even more of it.


Are you implying that i want more spectres? i want the chestpiece removed or nerfed at this point since it now adds +1 spectre over the previous maximum without the 2 midnight bargains


...there's no implication. you explicitly stated that you want more spectres.

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SilentSymphony wrote:
I should have 2 more spectres than any other spectre build not using 2x midnight bargain if i am fully invested into raise spectre as my core skill.



lolz. are you freakin' serious? after alllllllll of that? the thread you/shieldbreaker bumped for months and complained about for so long, and now you pull a 180 and want it removed/nerfed? YOU/shieldbreaker WERE THE ONES WANTING IT BUFFED VIA INCREASED DROP RATES. hahahaha

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2529405


You are incorrect that i want more spectres, if you were to read it states specifically that WITH TWO MIDNIGHT BARGAINS which add +2 to the total spectre count at a 60% life reservation cost that i think someone should not be able to equip an armour and get 1 out of the 2 spectres i have without a cost, so no im not in any way asking for MORE, I'm asking for an unchanged number of spectres on my end and a reduced number on the other end or a cost introduced to make it fair.

And yeah we bumped that thread BEFORE THIS PATCH in case you've forgotten that fact.. and NOWHERE did i say i wanted them to do this crap we currently have now, I wanted the armour to be obtainable at least once per league if you worked very hard not bump the maximum number of spectres up to 8.

If you wanna spend that energy on something go attack the GLOBAL gem level stuff that was added this patch which i absolutely hate.
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Last edited by SilentSymphony#3358 on Oct 8, 2019, 4:47:47 PM

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