This is the most unfriendly league to non-meta builds I have ever played.

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The_Human_Tornado wrote:

AND LOL THE STORY BEHIND STEEL GOING GLACIAL HAMMER:

His "meme" is for you man.

(And thanks to lab)

I had not seen those ones though lol
"oh no it's actually his weapon, it just looks like a piece of garbage"

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The_Human_Tornado wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

Just for the record, Steelmage was smashing yellow blighted maps with a Glacial Hammer Zerk.

Now, glacial hammer does have inherent CC and good damage which is great for the blight unique monsters, so there's that too, still ...

Yea glacial hammer is so safe thanks to permafreeze everything all the time, most enjoyable build I ever played and the 3 layer aoe, 1st strike pseudo aoe, second cold splash and 3rd the ancestral call ghosts also doing strike and splash shreds absolutely everything except solo targets.

AND LOL THE STORY BEHIND STEEL GOING GLACIAL HAMMER:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/482566202?t=06h05m01s
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/483002233?t=02h33m59s
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/483856686?t=07h33m03s
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/484319735?t=07h01m55s

yeah right.. if you can do that with Glacial Hammer (playing UNHEALTHY hours btw) you can do the same with Blade Flurry on a 3 link. or Cyclone. or Sweep..

Glacial Hammer to be even workable requires (REQUIRES) you to waste one jewel and one link slot. to have BEARABLE performance. built in CC is worthless as it works vs mobs you one shot and doesnt vs bosses..

and it is every third hit :)

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MaxGor31 wrote:

Is this the league of useless talismans?

Talismans are woefully outdated, they were cool back when we weren't able to craft most of those implicits for 1c.

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raics wrote:

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MaxGor31 wrote:

Is this the league of useless talismans?

Talismans are woefully outdated, they were cool back when we weren't able to craft most of those implicits for 1c.

I dunno. If you get a good amulet, it's probably safer to use Jorgin's table to get those implicits and possibly increase its value without any risks than it is to potentially brick it by throwing a vaal orb at it.

Back during Betrayal, I doubled the value of an amulet I found from the Omnitect to 150c by turning it into a spinefuse talisman. Knowing my luck, it would've become garbage if I vaal'd it instead. :P

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Fruz wrote:

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The_Human_Tornado wrote:

AND LOL THE STORY BEHIND STEEL GOING GLACIAL HAMMER:

His "meme" is for you man.

(And thanks to lab)

I had not seen those ones though lol
"oh no it's actually his weapon, it just looks like a piece of garbage"

Yea lol. Comedy gold affair. Thank steel for the laughs.

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sidtherat wrote:

yeah right.. if you can do that with Glacial Hammer (playing UNHEALTHY hours btw) you can do the same with Blade Flurry on a 3 link. or Cyclone. or Sweep..

Glacial Hammer to be even workable requires (REQUIRES) you to waste one jewel and one link slot. to have BEARABLE performance. built in CC is worthless as it works vs mobs you one shot and doesnt vs bosses..

and it is every third hit :)

Unhealthy hours is a base requirement for ssf hc ladderpushing and I wasnt even half as bad in nolifing as the rank 4 saboteur who stole rank 4 from me with a 30-40 hour session with fucking 12% increased xp gear.

That jewel does a lot more regular splash gem though, it is 100% of your damage being splashed if you deal cold only and not a "50% less damage" like the melee splash gem.

And no you cant do this with blade flurry or any aoe skill cause it doesnt have the overlapping aoe going on. Sure if you got a glass cannon build you aint caring about this cause everything is oneshot anyway but with a tanky high hp build + ssf gear its a different world.

First you got the strike pseudo aoe ,that isnt all too small at higher levels, everything hit by this pseudo aoe is releasing 100% damage splash waves at all mobs and shit is overlapping on each other and then you also got the ancestral call ghosts who are also likely to double or even triple the same thing. Monsters getting hit by like 10 splashes at once and everything is oneshot in t15 even with only 300k shaper dps (no curses, no totems, no frostbomb).

Glacial hammer blows dense packs away like infernal blow, double bosses are killed triple as fast due to splash doing its thing and an ancestral ghost helping.

Steel himself said that the xph is good, 500 mio xph at 85 with estuary and underground sea grinding.

Only thing he complained about as far as I watched his stream was the melee positioning is needing more concentration and effort.

Glacial hammer like a lot skills changed so much in 3.7 due to the introduction of the strike pseudo aoe and in 3.8 it really takes off due to new multistrike and ancestral call not giving damage penality anymore. Those 2 things are like 30-40% more damage for such a build and that was the damage that was always missing.

And freeze does permafreeze most bosses at even 300k shaper dps already.

I had:

-mud geyser boss permafrozen
-toxic sewer boss permafrozen
-estuary boss permafrozen
-tower boss permafrozen

except with the antifreeze map mods but still it chills the bosses so much that you can do some plays with Dash in order to avoid all their hits. When the boss needs like 2 seconds to finish his auto attack animation there its pretty ez to avoid that.

I made a video about the last million xp, see it yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFR2ZZvauJw

Recorded this after a 14 hour grinding duel against the said saboteur, so yea no big plays and no dangerous maps to be seen.

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sidtherat wrote:

built in CC is worthless as it works vs mobs you one shot and doesnt vs bosses..

That is very misinformed.

Well.. ive done some hammering in my time (93 and 92). One with godly 660pdps coronal maul and legacy blood magic craft. The other was 1h/shield with GODLY shaper crit sceptre (t1 cold, t1 aspd, pen etc)

And..

A) strike splash is worthless. It does f.. nothing. Even with 2h mace with built in aoe. Do some testing with low.dmg weapons and see how much that actually does. It does very little. And when it does.. you do lots of irrelevant damage to mobs you kill just by looking at them.

B) overkill damage you do vs white mobs does not matter. You can clear t16 with 3-4link comfortably. It is single target that matters.

C) clear speed matters too. You can kill one mob pack at once with glacial bummer. Cool. Frost blades can clear 2 screens. Reave can kill entire screen. Wild strike can kill lots of screens. Glacial hammer can kill one pack at once at most. Sure you can boost the clear speed with godly attack speed buuut.. it applies to better skills as well.

D) freezing.. freezing every 3rd hit and conditional damage bonus (flat cold - garbage). Sounds cool. Works from time to time. And then you meet 90% ailimemts immunity or cold resist bosses or hexproof (as temp chains are pretty much a given for nice freezes) and then even bonechill skitterbots wont help you.

Ive been there and done that. Aside from hipster factor and style points there is no reason to play single target strike skill in 2019.

Even my zombie mancer who does INSANE amounts of damage can't handle if there are too many routes to the pump and especially if they're hardcore rushing it with a boss. The second you try to go after the boss they all fucking usain bolt to the damn pump and if you go after them then the boss just one shots it. It's an extremely poorly thought out league. If it was gonna be this hard they should've allowed you to IDK, UPGRADE THE PUMP'S LIFE!? HELLLOOOO?! I would just put all my points into that instead of those useless ass towers. This is on T15 and T16 maps btw.

I also think the flying monsters from the fire and ice portals that shoot shit at you from across the screen is beyond ridiculous. WTF are you supposed to do? Great I've got a million enemies all over and I have to move non stop, but then I'll run into this mob, and now a boss with way too fucking much hp is coming... It's like there's literally no point half the time in doing these damn things.

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sidtherat wrote:

Well.. ive done some hammering in my time (93 and 92). One with godly 660pdps coronal maul and legacy blood magic craft. The other was 1h/shield with GODLY shaper crit sceptre (t1 cold, t1 aspd, pen etc)
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Do some testing with low.dmg weapons and see how much that actually does

I don't need to do any testing, I leveling 3 90+ Glacial Hammer in SSF HC in Synthesis, I know what I'm talking about from a recent experience, and that was better than what you are pretending pre-buff.


And I was clearing half of the screen if not more in high density maps.


The_human_Tornado leveled up to level 100 with a "meh" weapon, I'm sure he had worse than this before, he does not need any of your "advices", he knows what he's talking about for sure, not like you.

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sidtherat wrote:

D) freezing.. freezing every 3rd hit and conditional damage bonus (flat cold - garbage). Sounds cool. Works from time to time. And then you meet 90% ailimemts immunity or cold resist bosses or hexproof (as temp chains are pretty much a given for nice freezes) and then even bonechill skitterbots wont help you.

There is one map mod that makes one aspect of the build less optimal, OIH SNAP, SOMETHING NEVER SEEN BEFORE, LET'S GIVE UP ON EVERYTHING !

You don't need TS.

*sigh*

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sidtherat wrote:

Ive been there and done that.

Too bad you did not do it building a proper character and/or from a non biased point of view heh ?

PS : with all the power creep, I'm pretty sure that you can quite easily smash t16 maps and guardians with a Frostbreath Glacial Hammer build.

Back to the topic : it does not seem as bad as many pretend it to be, there are skills like glacial hammer who can clear blights, so glacial hammer not being godly but still correct against blights, I have no troubles believing that many others can do well.
It's yet another league to push for more dps dps dps speed speed speed dps dps dps, but that's what PoE has become so ...
nothing new, unfortunately.

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Fruz wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

built in CC is worthless as it works vs mobs you one shot and doesnt vs bosses..

That is very misinformed.

Isn't it always?

I mean we are talking about a guy that has tested and done ALL this shit in the game and its so fucking terrible yet he refuses to unprivate his characters so we can see at least what kinda builds hes working with but nah... those are perfect nothing to see or improve there... and if you do it to success well then your probably lying even though most of us dont hide our builds..

Anyone that complains as much as Sid and hides their characters i dont even give them a grain of my time or feedback and especially help.. They already know everything anyway and i dont fuck with those types IRL i damn sure not going to here either..