Vis Mortis Nerf - Hurts casuals and feeds pay to win

They took a system where all players had FAIR access to 4 spectres and changed it to a system for rich players.

If I have 3 specs and a rich player has 4 thats a 25% difference in DPS. Keep in mind thats the starting point. That inequity only gets worse from there.

I doubt the extra spec will be as low as 23-24. Im guessing its going to be a bit higher. Why introduce all the new + modifiers.

Within weeks of league start your going to see economy necros with 3 specs and rich players with 5. Thats 40% dps difference.

Thats a fair system? I guess its fair if your that guy thats fully decked out in 3 weeks into a league.

For folks that play honestly its not so fair...

NS

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pphnx wrote:
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drklrd wrote:
So now max number of spectres is 3, with +1 from Death Attunement? Or am I missing something?


max spectre increases after gem level 20.

but how many per level after 20 we dont know yet.

probably per 3 or 4 level. so you get +1 spectre at 23 or 24 which is not hard.

at the start of the leauge:
level your spectre gem to 20.
+1 level from weapon (gloval +1 wands) or +2 with dual wield when your game is still 19.
+1 level from boots(bones of ullr or bound crafted boots)
+2 from ascendancy

your spectre level will we 24 without no investment and probably get another +1 max spectre.

So 2(from level 20) + 1(skill tree) + 1(from 23/24gem) and 4 (level 84) spectres without no investment.

I think it's fair.
No worries... If I cannot get it in game fairly I don't want it. Just how I am.

NS

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azoriuss wrote:
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Nightstone13 wrote:
Im disabled... And no there are not a huge amount of builds I can play. I'm limited to playing one handed ( Even thats hard here lately ). Just had another surgery to boot a month ago. VA added 3 shiny new plates to my neck.

Whats sad is when folks assume everyone is the same...

But hey... Im fine with it.

NS

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azoriuss wrote:
There are countless number of builds and you want to quit the game because one item was nerfed. Thats just sad.



Im sorry to hear that. I will probably skip the league because I've recently many technical issues playing POE but If I will decide to play then I'll give you currency to buy you a replacement of Vis Mortis. Maybe someone else can help in that case too.
Before anyone posts that I should just go hit the delve and get a spec chest...

Delve is gated behind pay to win. Want delve access? Buy scarabs.

I had one nico scarab drop all of last league. Yet folks were hitting really deep depths. Im guessing santa was really busy last league gifting all those deserving and honest players.

Just another example of how Poe has turned out...

Game has changed alot since I started...

NS

necro/summoners are dead baby!
its real and its here!
if you would like to create a necromancer you have to gather at least 20 exalts in the first week of league.
gl
Trust your mind and strengthen your abilities!
just did 2x 900+ depth minion nodes (there were none before 900 depth)
2 armour chests were there.
drops= 0 spectre body armour.
man this is gonna be an exciting league.
Trust your mind and strengthen your abilities!
You needed 2 unique items to get to 4 spectres. Now you have 3 base spectres without any items. Only difference is how you'll get 4th. It'll be available from 21+ levels of gem but we don't know yet how much + levels do you need, although i wouldn't expect it to be higher than 24. +2 from ascendancy, +1 from boots, alteration roll one minion wand or helmet and you'll get your 4th spectre. As bonus you get to use actually good chests instead of godawful Vis Mortis.
please show me on the patch notes where the delve chest no longer gives an extra spec. Delve chest is still in play.

Thats a big DPS advantage.

So at least 5 specs are in play.

Also keep in mind + items are new and more than likely will not have the old increased minion damage increases. You get spec levels but loose minion damage. Ascendancy changes reflect this also. No more 100% increased spec damage.

So you still have 2 items that give 2 specs. Chest and gem level increases from items.

What changed was they threw a big bone to the pay to win crowd. Buy a delve chest for a big DPS boost.

Casual players get screwed....

NS

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heedkid wrote:
You needed 2 unique items to get to 4 spectres. Now you have 3 base spectres without any items. Only difference is how you'll get 4th. It'll be available from 21+ levels of gem but we don't know yet how much + levels do you need, although i wouldn't expect it to be higher than 24. +2 from ascendancy, +1 from boots, alteration roll one minion wand or helmet and you'll get your 4th spectre. As bonus you get to use actually good chests instead of godawful Vis Mortis.
If you're casual i already told you how easily get to values you are used to. I don't understand. You want it to be the limit of spectre build? What other players who want to push build to higher level should do then? GGG gave hardcore players an expensive way to get more power then before AND also gave you an easier way to itemize for standard 4 spectres. Sounds like you are just jealous, stop thinking about how to make your way to play the only way.
Last edited by heedkid#6333 on Sep 4, 2019, 12:41:48 PM
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heedkid wrote:
You needed 2 unique items to get to 4 spectres. Now you have 3 base spectres without any items. Only difference is how you'll get 4th. It'll be available from 21+ levels of gem but we don't know yet how much + levels do you need, although i wouldn't expect it to be higher than 24. +2 from ascendancy, +1 from boots, alteration roll one minion wand or helmet and you'll get your 4th spectre. As bonus you get to use actually good chests instead of godawful Vis Mortis.


but those 2 unique items are cheap (except if you will 6link vis mortis). But this time it's expensive to get extra spectre.

Before:
1 spectre (gem) [cheap]
1 spectre (passive tree) [cheap]
1 vismortis [cheap]
1 bones of ullr [cheap]
total 4

Now:
2 spectres (gem) [cheap or expensive if you want level 21]
1 spectre (passive tree) [cheap]
{
1 (+1 to socketed active gem chest and empower 4) [expensive]
or
1 (+1 spectre delev chest) [expensive]
}
total 4
Perhaps your just not getting it... Try one more time.

Current - Anyone can easily get 4 specs. Anyone can run an economy build.

3.8 - Everyone can easily get 3 specs. 4th is through + item levels. 5th is though delve spec chest. 4th may end up being expensive due to gem extra spec threshold level ( we don't know that yet ). 5th spec will be very expensive from delve chest.

Now for the part your having problems with... The number 3 is smaller than 4 or 5.

less specs = less DPS.

Easy is buying a vis mortis for a few chaos.

Easy is not needing a level 21 spec gem. Easy is not needing a rare +3 item. Easy is not needing a rare delve chest. Etc...

Your making a ton of assumptions on how easy this will be...

Currently spec classes are doable with very little itemization to hit max number of specs.

3.8 spec classes WILL need alot of expensive itemization to reach max spec level.

NS

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heedkid wrote:
If you're casual i already told you how easily get to values you are used to. I don't understand. You want it to be the limit of spectre build? What other players who want to push build to higher level should do then? GGG gave hardcore players an expensive way to get more power then before AND also gave you an easier way to itemize for standard 4 spectres. Sounds like you are just jealous, stop thinking about how to make your way to play the only way.

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