What did the trade manifesto say about this?

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Sky7a wrote:

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Cyzax wrote:

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Tnargav wrote:

You don't need an AH just an ability to go to someone's hideout and pick up the item. That would be a good start. You can argue of adding a confirmation from a seller before you can do that if you want to keep "the interaction" bullshit so GGG feels like that illogical manifesto is preserved.

This would be against the purpose of the manifesto.

The purpose is to limit trade to a degree that the game economy can handle. Interaction is the means to do this, not the objective.

Any 'solution' that would lead to easier trade is by definition wrong, as easy trade is not desirable.

Please read the manifesto before you comment on it:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870

Really even if i fully agree trade should not be too easy even if you don't go on lowest price (cauz already sold or price fixer) ; even if you trade only on big exchange for currency map and so on ; even if you buy only once every 3 day its still a mess. a real fuckin mess .its a system that work for less than 20k player not on a 50k+ on the same league . between the api that don't refresh fast enough and price fixer something has to be done.

Something has been done, the official site, yet countless people refuse to use it despite it not being plagued by the API delays.

Until people stop using poe.trade and other sites, there is absolutely no reason for GGG to do anything regarding trade, except maybe delay the data even further and\or by the poe.trade domain and redirect.


I purchased 100 coves maps in the matter if min for 2-3c a piece, buying in bulk 10 at a time. Turns out buying bulk maps is actually pretty easy and most will want to do that trade because its larger trade then just 1 map someone needs for completion.


But don't fret, you can easily buy maps, uniques, div cards, ect by using the official site and sorting by new listings. Just try it and see how much different of an experience it is.


Currency is fine, so as long as you also use ur brain or take the 2-3 chaos loss on the exalt trade if you don't want to wait around. Alternatively setting up sell orders could also help.

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The_Great_Alex wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

...you're actually explaining the point of it, while pretending it's outside the scope.

the point of the trade system was to make decisions/think/weigh pros/cons, instead of just unthinkingly trying to trade with anyone who messages you.

You are the knight on a white horse with a spear

but the spear is in his butt and it is actually his spine

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Something has been done, the official site, yet countless people refuse to use it despite it not being plagued by the API delays.

Until people stop using poe.trade and other sites, there is absolutely no reason for GGG to do anything regarding trade, except maybe delay the data even further and\or by the poe.trade domain and redirect.

Moving searching for items inside the game would be huge and everybody would notice it. It'd also be one step in the right direction because it'd remove alt+tabbing as well as the delays, it'd make trades much faster.

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vio wrote:

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Avelanh wrote:

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err, no.

people like me are just afraid of the possible consequences that an auction house introduction would include. like:

- registering the game account by credit card
- no item exchange outside the auction house
- less rare item drops
- certain items being untradeable
- no (or crippled) search options for items
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we're just careful what we wish for

Trading has worked reasonably well for years. An AH is a huge risk for said reasons.
If your main argument for an AH is losing a 1C trade, while in a (high-reward one-portal Zana map) I think your argument is invalid.

Well damn, of course it was a 1c trade, how did you know?

how did I fix this myself?

by vendoring anything less than 5c.

of course you have freedom to do whatever.. this doesnt mean I agree with the in-famous "trade manifesto" it's just a way I make the trading quicker for the buyer and me.

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TreeOfDead wrote:

+1

Need somehow add trade window anywhere (not require for both to be in same place)

Remember when they said they were gonna do that with the lab what 3 years ago now?

I support the idea of having a NPC in the hideout to allow such trades, only the NPC needs to consume some kind of tax for this to work imho (10% of each required set of currency rounded up for example ).

The seller could have the NPC ask him/her to hover over the desired items when setting the price, and the buyer would still need to hover over the item when buying it.

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goetzjam wrote:

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Sky7a wrote:

Really even if i fully agree trade should not be too easy even if you don't go on lowest price (cauz already sold or price fixer) ; even if you trade only on big exchange for currency map and so on ; even if you buy only once every 3 day its still a mess. a real fuckin mess .its a system that work for less than 20k player not on a 50k+ on the same league . between the api that don't refresh fast enough and price fixer something has to be done.

Something has been done, the official site, yet countless people refuse to use it despite it not being plagued by the API delays.

Until people stop using poe.trade and other sites, there is absolutely no reason for GGG to do anything regarding trade, except maybe delay the data even further and\or by the poe.trade domain and redirect.


I purchased 100 coves maps in the matter if min for 2-3c a piece, buying in bulk 10 at a time. Turns out buying bulk maps is actually pretty easy and most will want to do that trade because its larger trade then just 1 map someone needs for completion.


But don't fret, you can easily buy maps, uniques, div cards, ect by using the official site and sorting by new listings. Just try it and see how much different of an experience it is.


Currency is fine, so as long as you also use ur brain or take the 2-3 chaos loss on the exalt trade if you don't want to wait around. Alternatively setting up sell orders could also help.

1. the official site is plagued by API delays, their API is just kinda bad code, and clogs easily you see if every league. You get messages hours or even days late, so nothing have been done about it. poe.trade is whitelisted it gets the API information at the same speed as the official site. The problem is that the API in a very real sense cannot do it's job.

Everything else is just a bad trick to cover bad uninituitive design that's insane. Make sure to screw yourself over because most people are just flat out lying about the advertisements they post.

At the end of the day none of this trading stuff would come up if the API actually worked well, and people didn't constantly lie about what they wanted to trade. If those two things, and only those two things were gone we would actually have a 100% buyout auction house system the GGG fears.

That's it it's really that simple, the only things standing between GGG and total auction house anarchy is bad code, and scummy people.

Let's be honest here, the trade manifesto is written in some la-la land where trade is what GGG wanted in closed beta, before XYZ forced their hand. Now it's just an auction house that's poorly made, that allows people to be dicks to each other.

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j33bus wrote:

1. the official site is plagued by API delays, their API is just kinda bad code, and clogs easily you see if every league. You get messages hours or even days late, so nothing have been done about it. poe.trade is whitelisted it gets the API information at the same speed as the official site. The problem is that the API in a very real sense cannot do it's job.

Everything else is just a bad trick to cover bad uninituitive design that's insane. Make sure to screw yourself over because most people are just flat out lying about the advertisements they post.

At the end of the day none of this trading stuff would come up if the API actually worked well, and people didn't constantly lie about what they wanted to trade. If those two things, and only those two things were gone we would actually have a 100% buyout auction house system the GGG fears.

That's it it's really that simple, the only things standing between GGG and total auction house anarchy is bad code, and scummy people.

Let's be honest here, the trade manifesto is written in some la-la land where trade is what GGG wanted in closed beta, before XYZ forced their hand. Now it's just an auction house that's poorly made, that allows people to be dicks to each other.

The official site doesn't use the API or at least isn't delayed with the updates as the other sites are. You can test this yourself, list an item for more than 99 exalts, setup a live search on poe.trade and the official site (and if you want any other site you use) and see how fast it updates. The official site will update within 1 min or less, while it can take upwards of 30 min for poe.trade to update.

So OBVIOUSLY they aren't using the same thing and therefore the official site isn't using the API, but rather pulling directly from the source, since you know it is 1st party it doesnt have to rely on the API.

The official site did indeed have issues the first weekend of this league and GGG is aware of the API issues, but their solution seems to be making sure the official site gets priority updates and the API is throttled, which causes poe.trade to be out of date for live searches always if someone sniped the item with the official site live search.


You also completely ignored the fact that many trades can be easily done by searching by recent listings, in the case of rare items that "trick" doens't work as well but using the official site does help significantly.

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Remember when they said they were gonna do that with the lab what 3 years ago now?

And they specifically answered this in the podcast, they didnt feel it was necessary anymore and its not.