You go into a map.
You find Zana and go into another map.
Inside the map you nail an abyss. In the middle of the Abyss you have a buyer whisper you.
You cant open a town portal inside the abyss for some reason.
So you run as fast as possible towards one of the two exits, whichever is closer.
Use TP to go inside the first map.
Then another to go into your hideout.
To realize you wasted your time and the buyer went to someone else.
And the zana map was one portal only.
Now all this did not happen to me, I was simply sitting here thinking how completely stupid a cumbersome system is when GGG keeps adding all these timers and places you have to do without the option to immediately pop inside your hideout and complete the trade.
It DID happen to me though :( and it was for a measly 2 chaos
my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes
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You don't need an AH just an ability to go to someone's hideout and pick up the item. That would be a good start. You can argue of adding a confirmation from a seller before you can do that if you want to keep "the interaction" bullshit so GGG feels like that illogical manifesto is preserved.
This would be against the purpose of the manifesto.
The purpose is to limit trade to a degree that the game economy can handle. Interaction is the means to do this, not the objective.
Any 'solution' that would lead to easier trade is by definition wrong, as easy trade is not desirable.
Trade manifesto is one of the most atrocious text ever to be posted on these forums. I seriously considered to stop supporting GGG after they posted it.
I refuse to accept approach where key game mechanics are purposefully designed or implemented in a way to cause players discomfort or prolonged delays to utilize them--this is a practice commonly abused by mobile games and has no place in PC/console games. GGG's stance on trade and their reasoning is bordering on the travesty of mobile games and only slightly avoid falling in in my opinion.
Trade is one area where GGG is not doing enough. It is understandable as these improvements would not drive revenue up as much as new content for challenge league or expansion to new markets. On the other hand, it took GGG 6 years to deploy their own web-based front-end supporting trades, which just show how under-developed this area is.
well, then... obviously, we should all start every league at clvl 100 and with a full set of gear. i mean, duh. otherwise, it's just bad mobile game tactics.
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They either will wait or they will not wait.. If they ask how long? Give them a rough but honest estimate. 3-5 mins.. If your in Lab? Let them know After Lab Pls.
Its worked for me for years at this point. "MOST" Players will be understanding and even wait simply because they were let know something. If they are a serious buyer.. The ones that will not are typically the ones that would have wasted your time regardless even if you instant leave the map for them.
Not saying trade couldnt use some improvements but much like anything else its as good or bad as you make it. You work with what you got.
There is a fine line between Consideration and Hesitation.
The former is Wisdom, the latter is Fear.
They either will wait or they will not wait.. If they ask how long? Give them a rough but honest estimate. 3-5 mins.. If your in Lab? Let them know After Lab Pls.
Its worked for me for years at this point. "MOST" Players will be understanding and even wait simply because they were let know something. If they are a serious buyer.. The ones that will not are typically the ones that would have wasted your time regardless even if you instant leave the map for them.
Not saying trade couldnt use some improvements but much like anything else its as good or bad as you make it. You work with what you got.
heres the thing, is the problem with the buyers or the sellers?
They dont want a full ah, and I agree with most of their reasoning, but this is all about the buyers right? Its about ease of getting gear, and thats a buyer, thats the guy whos getting the gear. The seller already owns the piece of gear in question.
These ideas about having an npc in your hideout, people can come to your h/o, interact with this npc while ur online, make the trade for the specified currency and leave... its the same as if u were there to trade with them. but youre not, they dont have to hassle you at all. IF they want to trade for alternate currency, maybe offer an item, ask for a discount, then they can message you and perhaps you accept and make the trade manually on that somewhat rare occasion.
I dont see the problem with this. A fair amount of people seem to already have a bot who sits in a h/o and trades for them, ive seen it blatantly many times, probably a second account. its already happening.
people make a search, copy a link, they then get a tp to the npc in your h/o who gives the item over for the exact currency buyout specified. You (the seller) have to be online at the time, what would be the issue with that?
we really should have an ah for things like currency, maps, essences, frags etc tho. All these consumables are a nightmare and the price fixing is issues are just idiotic. Gear, fine, I accept the reasoning behind no AH, the consumables I think we have to compromise and just make a full ah.
You really won't need an AH as soon as you can visit someone's HO and pick items yourself.
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You don't need an AH just an ability to go to someone's hideout and pick up the item. That would be a good start. You can argue of adding a confirmation from a seller before you can do that if you want to keep "the interaction" bullshit so GGG feels like that illogical manifesto is preserved.
This would be against the purpose of the manifesto.
The purpose is to limit trade to a degree that the game economy can handle. Interaction is the means to do this, not the objective.
Any 'solution' that would lead to easier trade is by definition wrong, as easy trade is not desirable.
"You can argue of adding a confirmation from a seller before you can do that if you want to keep "the interaction" bullshit so GGG feels like that illogical manifesto is preserved."
Also, current system violates their manifesto anyways and we should go back to trading using forum only.
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well, then... obviously, we should all start every league at clvl 100 and with a full set of gear. i mean, duh. otherwise, it's just bad mobile game tactics.
You don't need an AH just an ability to go to someone's hideout and pick up the item. That would be a good start. You can argue of adding a confirmation from a seller before you can do that if you want to keep "the interaction" bullshit so GGG feels like that illogical manifesto is preserved.
This would be against the purpose of the manifesto.
The purpose is to limit trade to a degree that the game economy can handle. Interaction is the means to do this, not the objective.
Any 'solution' that would lead to easier trade is by definition wrong, as easy trade is not desirable.
Really even if i fully agree trade should not be too easy even if you don't go on lowest price (cauz already sold or price fixer) ; even if you trade only on big exchange for currency map and so on ; even if you buy only once every 3 day its still a mess. a real fuckin mess .its a system that work for less than 20k player not on a 50k+ on the same league . between the api that don't refresh fast enough and price fixer something has to be done.
