This is ridiculous

By keeping it closed it creates more demand.

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P4N1K wrote:

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P4N1K wrote:

Also, you have no idea how many people "left" PoE because of the stress test; so why even bother talking about it?

Quote the paragraphs where i said that. Or are you just trying to put words in my mouth to try and defend your already thinly spread argument?

"You have no idea how many"...."So why even bother talking about it?"

Your logic is that because I don't know something for sure I should not "bother talking about it".

Therefore, it is logical to say you only see value in discussing things you already know for sure.

In which case it is reasonable to deduce you are a mouthbreather.

Is that "argument" spread thick enough?

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XHitmanX wrote:

I'm in 2 minds about the cash for ingame items for the BETA. To me it sends the wrong msg.

'Yes you can test the BETA but it will cost you - and here are some items that you can have, but wont be able to keep once the beta ends'

I do like the idea of supporting the game and getting a early beta key tho - just not the model suggested. Maybe if those items are kept past the beta? maybe even unique things that would show ppl in the live servers that you were a beta tester?

just my 2 cents.

You make a lot sense to me, I think it's really a bad idea to "sell" the beta keys for a F2P game.

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Firevsaqua wrote:

I'm glad some one brought up Blizzard and D3 because lets face it you don't get big as blizzard has when you make a crappy game. They make good Games. I'm not saying perfect but you have to make a pretty good game to make people want to pay you to play it every month. When D3 comes out it is going to be no different. The fact of the matter is blizzard does not make bad games. You can argue all you want about it but look at how popular the game is. personally I feel that GGG should speed up the process of letting people into the closed beta. I have seen sites offering beta keys for this game 50, 500, 1000 keys. the stress test weekend saw a cap of just under 7400 players
and by the last day there where just under 4000 on. What are these numbers compared to 10-12 million? Speed is a factor here. D3 is a problem everyone can keep pretending that its not but it is.

What if they are not competing? I think a lot of you are constantly bringing up diablo 3 are failing to understand that this is their Dream. This is not a corporation. It is two guys that started in a garage. I think the timing is more coincidence than anything. And honestly , Its perfect. The kids , cupcakes and farmers can play D3. We will be left in peace. And that is why some of us do not want to support corporations. It's called Loyalty. It's called bringing main street and the small shops back. Fuck Wal-Mart , Mcdonalds , Ea , Crytek , Blizzard and all of the other mainstream crap . Fuck the people that constantly compare other peoples work and dreams to others. Fuck the armchair reviewers who can't even build a spec'd machine. How many people even know this game was designed for 2550x1600 res? Nerd Rage ? Hell no. Passionate and Excited? Yes. Hell if you don't have anything to be passionate about , wtf do you do with your life?

I think a large thing that is lacking is more people asking to help TEST THE GAME. Instead of me me me ,my addiction is getting the best of me . Bullocks.

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JohnnyShotMe wrote:

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Firevsaqua wrote:

I'm glad some one brought up Blizzard and D3 because lets face it you don't get big as blizzard has when you make a crappy game. They make good Games. I'm not saying perfect but you have to make a pretty good game to make people want to pay you to play it every month. When D3 comes out it is going to be no different. The fact of the matter is blizzard does not make bad games. You can argue all you want about it but look at how popular the game is. personally I feel that GGG should speed up the process of letting people into the closed beta. I have seen sites offering beta keys for this game 50, 500, 1000 keys. the stress test weekend saw a cap of just under 7400 players
and by the last day there where just under 4000 on. What are these numbers compared to 10-12 million? Speed is a factor here. D3 is a problem everyone can keep pretending that its not but it is.

True, speed is a factor. I personally think the D3 release is bad news for POE. I don't *want* it to be, but let's face it...as someone already brought up, you only have a certain amount of time available. And even in beta tests, people tend to value their progression. So you will have this game in beta and D3 released and available. Some will play both but some will also choose between them. And for some people, probably your run of the mill general public, D3 is a predictable title that can be relied on. This new POE thing...some might try it but there will be literally hundreds of thousands of people who decide what game to play while standing in their local Best Buy and looking at the shiny box art. Those masses will choose the bigger title simply because it's bigger.

I think POE has an awesome concept and game play, but I want it to have enough of a population to be viable long term. To do that, IMO it would be helpful to hook a robust community into the actual game while you can.

I'm glad some one agrees with me. I was afraid I would only find the people who hate blizzard because its the cool thing right now. I've played at least a 100 mmos and for me i still chose wow over even the free to plays as with me there are many other that feel this way. D3 releases next month and this game is still in closed beta. We need a good balance of speed and quality at this point. I don't want so much speed that it hurts the game play but enough to keep people here even after D3 comes out. Don't get me wrong I am not saying this game is going to die because of D3 just that if they don't speed up the process of beta invites more people then not are going to choose to play what they can here and now. I like this game I just don't want to see it hurt by a pore decision of cutting down the player base.

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Your logic is that because I don't know something for sure I should not "bother talking about it".

Therefore, it is logical to say you only see value in discussing things you already know for sure.

In which case it is reasonable to deduce you are a mouthbreather.

Nicely done! The second statement follows as the contrapositive of the first.

The third statement is modus ponens from the unstated assertion "IF you can't check truth value of what you say by considering the contrapositive THEN you are a mouthbreather"

Rarely do I see an internet argument predicated on propositional logic.

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Firevsaqua wrote:

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JohnnyShotMe wrote:

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Firevsaqua wrote:

I'm glad some one brought up Blizzard and D3 because lets face it you don't get big as blizzard has when you make a crappy game. They make good Games. I'm not saying perfect but you have to make a pretty good game to make people want to pay you to play it every month. When D3 comes out it is going to be no different. The fact of the matter is blizzard does not make bad games. You can argue all you want about it but look at how popular the game is. personally I feel that GGG should speed up the process of letting people into the closed beta. I have seen sites offering beta keys for this game 50, 500, 1000 keys. the stress test weekend saw a cap of just under 7400 players
and by the last day there where just under 4000 on. What are these numbers compared to 10-12 million? Speed is a factor here. D3 is a problem everyone can keep pretending that its not but it is.

True, speed is a factor. I personally think the D3 release is bad news for POE. I don't *want* it to be, but let's face it...as someone already brought up, you only have a certain amount of time available. And even in beta tests, people tend to value their progression. So you will have this game in beta and D3 released and available. Some will play both but some will also choose between them. And for some people, probably your run of the mill general public, D3 is a predictable title that can be relied on. This new POE thing...some might try it but there will be literally hundreds of thousands of people who decide what game to play while standing in their local Best Buy and looking at the shiny box art. Those masses will choose the bigger title simply because it's bigger.

I think POE has an awesome concept and game play, but I want it to have enough of a population to be viable long term. To do that, IMO it would be helpful to hook a robust community into the actual game while you can.

I'm glad some one agrees with me. I was afraid I would only find the people who hate blizzard because its the cool thing right now. I've played at least a 100 mmos and for me i still chose wow over even the free to plays as with me there are many other that feel this way. D3 releases next month and this game is still in closed beta. We need a good balance of speed and quality at this point. I don't want so much speed that it hurts the game play but enough to keep people here even after D3 comes out. Don't get me wrong I am not saying this game is going to die because of D3 just that if they don't speed up the process of beta invites more people then not are going to choose to play what they can here and now. I like this game I just don't want to see it hurt by a pore decision of cutting down the player base.

What?

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JohnnyShotMe wrote:

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P4N1K wrote:

Also, you have no idea how many people "left" PoE because of the stress test; so why even bother talking about it?

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Quote the paragraphs where i said that. Or are you just trying to put words in my mouth to try and defend your already thinly spread argument?

"You have no idea how many"...."So why even bother talking about it?"

Your logic is that because I don't know something for sure I should not "bother talking about it".

Therefore, it is logical to say you only see value in discussing things you already know for sure.

In which case it is reasonable to deduce you are a mouthbreather.

Is that "argument" spread thick enough?

How many people have "left" PoE because of a simple stress test is irrelevant to talk about because it will always be pure speculation and without any solid way of determining. Although I speculate that people have probably "joined" because of said stress test; myself being one of them.

No, your argument is not sufficient and i would suggest you give up any idea of them opening up the beta before they are ready to do so.

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In which case it is reasonable to deduce you are a mouthbreather.

In retaliation I will stoop to your level, and call you a DooDoo-Head! Must rustle your jimmies to be upstaged this easily.

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xaenimal wrote:

What if they are not competing? I think a lot of you are constantly bringing up diablo 3 are failing to understand that this is their Dream. This is not a corporation. It is two guys that started in a garage.

No offence mate - but go and ask the developers if they want to make money off this game. I would think they would want to do that - to repay those friends who put up the $$ to begin with and extra $$ as well. I can almost guarantee you that they would love to make loads of money off this. If they completed their dream game but made a massive loss or had noone play the game do you think they would be happy about it?

Whether you like to admit it or not, they are in direct competition with D3.

Everyone is forgetting that this was a STRESS TEST weekend - in other words, the higher player count and increased load on their servers and backend code was meant to be for a limited time only. Sure they may lose players because they went back to closed, but getting more players wasn't their goal, testing server load was. So for their current purpose, the stress test weekend was a complete success.

I might also add that the very fact GGG held a stress test weekend is a good sign. It means they are getting ready to go to open beta. Since the results were positive and only a few minor issues manifested themselves, I would expect an open beta sooner rather than later.

As for the items for sale, setting up such a system and giving away beta keys with each purchase serves three purposes. First and probably foremost, it allows them to test their micro-transaction service before the game really goes live, making sure the system works as intended and works reliably. Second, It's also a method to start injecting even more players into the closed beta, via the attached beta key with each item. Finally, it brings in some extra income ahead of the open beta and final release, during which time their costs will go up with the increased server load and bandwidth costs from the servers and the website. I think it's an excellent idea.