Diablo 4 Would Kill Path of Exile

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

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cgexile wrote:

I watched pretty much all the panel video I can find on D4 and the engine just looks insane to me...

You're taking for granted that every player out there, is VERY unhappy with PoE's engine and performance...

This is pretty gratuitous.
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Yes so without question PoE wins on depth, features, and content. However, even if you assume that D4 launch will be "5%" - as some have said arbitrarily - of PoE, we're talking about Blizzard. They can ramp up and roll things out so quickly you can't underestimate their capabilities. They are heavily invested and balls deep in to D4, and if they come close, it will boil down to the game experience. They said they worked on the game for a number of years now and so if this is the result, imagine what they will bake into the game if they have another 2 years before release.

You also have to recognize while the choice of doing this or that in PoE is there, many of these features are completely watered down after every league. They rebalance things league after league and one can argue that you end up with a whole lot of nothing. I understand why they do it but personally I don't like the constant rollercoaster. More recently they force a meta shift and then push MTX for the skills they want players to play which is just so sleaze to me it tells me they care more about $$ and less about balance. Choice is also more of an illusion, exile. Lots of choices in the game that are actually mandatory to interact with. I mean you aren't forced to interact with things like lab or delve, but you won't get that far in the game if you choose not to. I would go as far as to say that, up until the Legion jewels, the skill tree also didn't offer a whole lot of choice because 80% of your pathing was identical across all builds. Stack life? You path this way. Stack es? You path that way. Etc etc., and then the 20% or so you're left with some choice or variance on how you want to switch things up. But now with Legion jewels that completely RNG the mods that are allocated it tremendously helps in tree diversity. However, the jewels themselves are gated because like all leagues, they tweaked the accessibility to the point where it's just frustrating.

So one has to really take a look at the "choice" of features in PoE. Do I really have a choice to skip the campaign? Do I really have a choice with Lab? Do I really need to delve? If I skip this feature or that feature, can I actually craft anything meaningful because I miss out on the mods gated behind the features I want to skip?

Anyway the above is a counter argument regarding features because features appear to be the counter argument or excuse to overlook poor performance. Last point is that all of the features in PoE may actually have a negative effect on player adoption. It can be so complex and overwhelming that it turns players away, and where do you think they will go now that, in like 2 years, they will have a pretty solid ARPG choice (see what I did there? .. choice.. ..) :)

People can always sit back and grow old and eventually die while waiting for the PoE killer. It's not going to happen in our lifetime and especially not by Activision. Why is it so hard for people to accept?
Kids gotta hate I guess.

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Sauraus3 wrote:

On the topic of D4 being "the PoE killer". I doubt that there will we be to big if a long term effect. Blizzard has always tried to make their games for casual gamers and lest just say PoE is not that.
I love the complexity of PoE and trying to figure out how builds work, but I don't think D4 will have that.

Also the D3 end game was less then boring. I haven't heard anything about the D4 end game and I think the end game will make or break D4.

Poe is not for casuals? Dude look at Poe 2013 and now. And tell me that again. I m pretty sure if nothing changes with the game’s combat Poe is gonna be a more casual game than d4

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leto2626 wrote:

People can always sit back and grow old and eventually die while waiting for the PoE killer. It's not going to happen in our lifetime and especially not by Activision. Why is it so hard for people to accept?
Kids gotta hate I guess.

Kill is probably too strong a word. More likely render completely irrelevant.

It's far more reasonable that a scaled down version of PoE could exist in a space within the arpg market. Some thousands could play, but it wouldn't really matter.

KIDS Diablo 4 will be a Big disappointment good for two weeks of playing it is money grab game you will se.

Oh my god, all my hating on it. I love it. All they talked about was a shapeshifting druid, which is stupid as hell. I can be a fucking geomancer with a poisonous plant pet.

4.0 I'm still confident will be better, but not by much after learning that.

Could it? Sure

Will it? Possibly, but until it gets MUCH closer to going live there is absolutely no way to tell. Sure they have brought it back to being dark, brought in some features that look cool. However until we see where the skill tree goes and how the gameplay really is, it is impossible to know anything at this point. Even Kripp said he has concerns and issues, despite looking much better than 3.

So before declaring POE dead, for the 3,187,304,982,178,388 time, I think I will take a wait and see approach.

PoE will be just fine. D4 will be fun and interesting for a while, but as of now I dont see why players cant play both or why it should attract ppl that rather like PoE style of items, ccustomization, classes etc...

Short hype yea, and i hope it will do better than d3 in the long term, but remember it is not the same team that once was prominent for D2.. like Bioware lately, it is not the same company it used to be anymore.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Anyways we are close to hearing what GGG has to say at exilecon, but I struggle to imagine what they could say that would change my mind about the future of the core game.

No one needs to change your mind. Your mind does not decide the fate/future of PoE.

OF COURSE Diablo 4 will be superior to PoE in many ways. But Diablo 3 was also superior to PoE in many ways (at least the areas you're focusing on) - for a lot of people, yet here we are (well, maybe not you). It seems that your feelings are doing a lot of talking here. YOU feel that the game is headed towards the clip. YOU feel that the glory days of PoE have passed.

The thing here is "fun". I may very well quit PoE in the near future, who knows. But I will never quit PoE because of a game I find boring as hell. And if Diablo 4 only offers the amount of customization and depth we saw at Blizzcon, I WILL find it very boring - and so will A LOT of other players. It's not even CLOSE to competing with PoE - if we look at the reasons WHY we are playing PoE.

Does PoE offer flawless gameplay? No. Does PoE offer good performance? Probably not. Is the engine of PoE old and outdated? Probably. But it will still be better than Diablo 4 on the areas that matter most to me - and for a lot of other people. It's no secret that a lot of people are here because there's no "real" competition in the genre - especially when it comes to depth and customization. And Diablo is dangerously close to a different genre, it seems - and will keep on lacking the depth and customization need to get my attention, not to mention keeping it.

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Phrazz wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Anyways we are close to hearing what GGG has to say at exilecon, but I struggle to imagine what they could say that would change my mind about the future of the core game.

No one needs to change your mind. Your mind does not decide the fate/future of PoE.

OF COURSE Diablo 4 will be superior to PoE in many ways. But Diablo 3 was also superior to PoE in many ways (at least the areas you're focusing on) - for a lot of people, yet here we are (well, maybe not you). It seems that your feelings are doing a lot of talking here. YOU feel that the game is headed towards the clip. YOU feel that the glory days of PoE have passed.

The thing here is "fun". I may very well quit PoE in the near future, who knows. But I will never quit PoE because of a game I find boring as hell. And if Diablo 4 only offers the amount of customization and depth we saw at Blizzcon, I WILL find it very boring - and so will A LOT of other players. It's not even CLOSE to competing with PoE - if we look at the reasons WHY we are playing PoE.

Does PoE offer flawless gameplay? No. Does PoE offer good performance? Probably not. Is the engine of PoE old and outdated? Probably. But it will still be better than Diablo 4 on the areas that matter most to me - and for a lot of other people. It's no secret that a lot of people are here because there's no "real" competition in the genre - especially when it comes to depth and customization. And Diablo is dangerously close to a different genre, it seems - and will keep on lacking the depth and customization need to get my attention, not to mention keeping it.

Basically I'm saying that PoE has already peaked. I think they are moving in the wrong direction. PoE hasnt gotten better in the last 12 months.

Not to mention, the dramatic shift to mtx, bizzare league concepts, and cosmetics that are completely beyond any concept of Wraeclast. Its truly shocking tbh. The original concept of PoE moving to fantasy forest and carnival themes was something I would have never fathomed years ago. If we would have mentioned to the dev crew in 2013 about glowing butterfly wings, jester hats, tents, ect... they themselves wouldnt have believed it.