If console versions have auction houses PC version must have it too.

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Außenseiter wrote:

Except GGG doesn't need to adjust drop rates for AH.
They should just leave them as is.
Current items' prices are the result of years of price fixers' influence.
Of course they will instantly go down to what they should be in the first place.

As I said: It doesn't matter what YOU think they don't "need to" do. THEY feel they need to - based on ALL players, not just you.

Anyhow, as a rule of thumb; if you're trading so much that the current system is a major hurdle, you're either trading more than you play, or doing it totally wrong. There's hundreds of improvement they should focus on before trade.

And if I'm going to debate the same way as you - from my perspective, and my perspective alone, it would look somthing like this: I've bought 3 items this league. I'm wearing one of them. Needless to say, I've found most of the stuff I need. I have never been ignored when whispering for trade, nor have I ignored others. Everything has gone smooth. And because I've experienced it, it has to be the blueprint, yes?

Bots aren't players.

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Außenseiter wrote:

Bots aren't players.

Now you're "assuming" somthing is true, to fit your arguments. Tell me, how many bots do you think are trading gear? As in non-currency, rare items?

Bots will always be a problem. Every trade-based RNG game has them. It's no secret. An in-game AH won't get rid of them.

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Außenseiter wrote:

No one says GGG to abolish old trading system, two can coexist peacefully.

See? You don't care about the bot problem. You just want an easier trading system. Which is OK. But don't run all over the field.

But as I've said before: If you already trade for "everything", then of course you want an in-game AH. If you only trade now and then when it's really needed, you'll get by pretty easy, and can enjoy the game. One thing is certain, though; an in-game AH WILL make this game all about trading, unless they implement it perfectly, with perfect limitations and smoothnes.

And implementations of new mechanics aren't always GGG's strong suit.

Because even if two systems coexist for normal players, AH will destroy botters. Stop defending them.

And yeah, there are functional anti-bot systems implemented in other online games. Like PSO2, where it combines anti-cheat system with manual secondary password authentication when you try to access shops.

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Außenseiter wrote:

Stop defending them.

Now you're doing it again, "assuming" somthing to fit your narrative. Stop it. I have never - and will never - defend bots nor botters. They are scum, and bad for the game.

I'm done here. It's impossible to have a debate with liars, seing everything black-or-white while putting words in my mouth.

Then there is NO reason for you to not welcome AH with wide open arms.
It's beneficial for everyone playing the game.

I personally don't really care. These days everyone's got at least 2 monitors, one for browsing and one for playing. I can have the game open and at least one ''auction house'' at any time no matter if i am in a map or idling in a town.

Like honestly, what would possibly be the benefit of what essentially would end up being an automated version of poe.trade within the game's framework?!

The only benefit (if you can call it like that) would be that getting your hands on random cheap leveling items that right now are nearly impossible to buy because either the seller is afk or just cannot be arsed to flip, would be instantaneous.

AH would not destroy botters, the method would change but the principle would remain. It would encourage RMT even more than it does right now, and market manipulation would be made far easier than it is right now.

Tbh the only reason i can see someone wanting an auction house at this point, is simply to have it for the sake of having it.

For all intents and purposes, run your game in windowed full-screen, have your browser be open in the background with poe.trade open within it, play the game as you normally would, and when you wanna buy someothing, press alt+tab and imagine it's an in-game auction house. That's essentially what it would be like.

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Außenseiter wrote:

Capcha verification?
5-digits secondary password with reshuffling virtual keyboard?
3rd party anti-bot software? GGG loves third party software.
There are solutions.

Those aren't viable solutions - it wouldn't take long for bot creators to code around them so all they would do is just piss off regular players.

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Außenseiter wrote:

Then there is NO reason for you to not welcome AH with wide open arms.
It's beneficial for everyone playing the game.

We see this in most kids: Thinking their view is the blueprint for life, and can't possible understand how anyone can view things differently.

Grow up.

Down to insults are we?
Assuming that current prices are anywhere near what GGG was intended is naive, considering how inflated they are.
I repeat myself at this point.
If trading was working as intended there would be no need for 3rd party tools.
It doesn't.

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RandallPOE wrote:

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Außenseiter wrote:

Capcha verification?
5-digits secondary password with reshuffling virtual keyboard?
3rd party anti-bot software? GGG loves third party software.
There are solutions.

Those aren't viable solutions - it wouldn't take long for bot creators to code around them so all they would do is just piss off regular players.

Except there are games where they work and don't piss off regular players?
PSO2 comes to mind.