Chris Wilson: "Many spells are too weak for players to want to use"

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Legatus1982 wrote:

There was no change in context, the point of the op was that they are fixing spells and doing fuck all about melee when the skills listed there ARE FAR LESS BALANCED than any spell

Which is all 100% fact

Shock nova.

Why are people still whihning abut some oldschool, outdated melee skills like freaking viper strike etc lol. There's way better melee skills out there that play very well. Just take BF, scale it into 10-20 million dps and 1 shot Shapers etc lol.
Yeah some melee skills are not good, cos newer ones came out and made them obsolete...so what? That's the same with spells and ranged attacks too. Ppl need to l2 build.

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Paldamus wrote:

Why are people still whihning abut some oldschool, outdated melee skills like freaking viper strike etc lol. There's way better melee skills out there that play very well. Just take BF, scale it into 10-20 million dps and 1 shot Shapers etc lol.
Yeah some melee skills are not good, cos newer ones came out and made them obsolete...so what? That's the same with spells and ranged attacks too. Ppl need to l2 build.

And people may also need choices to play with. Like i said in other threads, cookie cutter builds are problematic. Nerfing those and reworking skills that are obsolete is mandatory in a game like this. More skills there will be and more difficult the balance will be.

I as a player since 2013 don't want a 20 million dps build that i will not enjoy playing, i want freedom of choice to build something i like to play and see where i can go with it. This what all the fun of PoE is about, not finishing content in 24h and spend 2 month and 29 days in a trading simulator...

So melee as spells should have balance passes on regular basis. 3.6 will be for spells and probably 3.7 for melee.

PS : We don't learn to build, we have to learn how to have fun...

Couldn't agree more. It's not about damage. It's about loss in depth, versatility and diversity.

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Paldamus wrote:

Why are people still whihning abut some oldschool, outdated melee skills like freaking viper strike etc lol. There's way better melee skills out there that play very well. Just take BF, scale it into 10-20 million dps and 1 shot Shapers etc lol.
Yeah some melee skills are not good, cos newer ones came out and made them obsolete...so what? That's the same with spells and ranged attacks too. Ppl need to l2 build.

The problem is the relative amount and relative strength of the types

Casters have way more options, there are less percentage of bad spells and their "bad" options are not nearly as bad as the bad melee gems
Conversely if you are looking for decent melee gems you've got a few out of what... 20? That are good and the rest are dumpster tier

Then you compare say glacial hammer or viper strike to some of the "bad" spells and there is a world difference

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Legatus1982 wrote:

There was no change in context, the point of the op was that they are fixing spells and doing fuck all about melee when the skills listed there ARE FAR LESS BALANCED than any spell

Which is all 100% fact

Shock nova.

yes it is pretty bad

Doesn't change the facts

Nearly every spell in the game can be objectively improved by attaching it to a totem or trap, and then replacing it with Arc.

This needed to happen. The meta right now is asinine.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

There was no change in context, the point of the op was that they are fixing spells and doing fuck all about melee when the skills listed there ARE FAR LESS BALANCED than any spell

Which is all 100% fact

Shock nova.

yes it is pretty bad

Doesn't change the facts

If you are going to use words, at least please understand their meaning properly before you do that.

FACT : shock nova is not better than ... let's go with dual strike.

-> FACT : "skills listed there ARE FAR LESS BALANCED than any spell" : This is not true, as I just quoted one spell that is not as "balanced"(shock nova is farther away from "balanced" skills than dual strike).

So your "fact" is not a fact, it's just you getting excited for some reason and ending up throwing a fallacious claim.

i do not know if you are simply bad making builds or something but Shock Nowa BLOWS most true-melee skills out of the water. simple as that.

it also has full benefit of triple dip (light->cold->fire-->chaos) so the damage ceiling is OUTRAGEOUS. free to get gem has 600damage per hit, around 900dps pre anything. buying a comparable weapon for attack build costs a pretty penny

then ofc you can use it with traps where it truly shines but self cast is perfectly ok


arc is ofc better because arc is from POE2. but one has to gimp his caster on purpose to make Shock Nova worse than dual strike.. skill you HAVE to augment with a threshold jewel (dps loss) and mandatory AC support (less choices)

tried both of them to 91+. dual strike is 100% garbage

An unless you are using impulsa, it's pretty bad at clearing, and quite bad at bossing.
I see that you're going all in "OMAGAD LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS" huh

If you factor impulsa (or other "monsters go boom" based mechanics from gear), then sure .... it's more than correct (apart from bossing I guess ? Depending on the boss' hitbox).
With dual strike, you have some AOE built in (obviously using one jewel socket for it, but since that jewel also gives pretty much 10% more damage ...) and you can destroy bosses with the right gear (not needing very expensive gear, but for all I know you might not even playing the game anymore and are not aware of all the new crafting available).

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sidtherat wrote:

it also has full benefit of triple dip (light->cold->fire-->chaos) so the damage ceiling is OUTRAGEOUS

Dual strike has potentially the benefit of "quadruple dip" LOLOLOL

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There is no mandatory AC for dual strike obviously, but oh well.