You know there is a serious problem when Betrayal players end up playing Betrayal like STD league.

I'm sure they will nerf them based on the feedback. Personally I have gotten occassional 1-shots that I would consider unfair due to screen clutter/multiple syndicates making any sort of telegraphing hard to see/react to. That said I didn't have much problem getting to 90 without skipping them. And my build isn't crazily tanky or anything.

I skipped out on Bestiary and played in standard. Didn't kill me.

It seems like this league is a lot more build dependent than past leagues. I tried three different builds, all of which I played in the past with no problem. They were horrible. Sure, I could have skipped content to see how the builds played at a higher level with better gear. But why play a league without playing the league? If I'm going to play a league, I'm going to play the content.

I finally reverted to BV, which does pretty well. The explosive trap I used at the start before I got BV worked pretty well. I still use it after BV is spun up. It makes a noticeable difference.

But I was hoping to play something different this league and try some of the new/revamped skills. You shouldn't have to find a needle in the haystack to find a build that works.

It's a comparative thing. It feels like fighting content 20 levels higher. You can blast right through the boss, but have to run like hell from syndicate content.

This league just has nothing to keep me motivated to play. It's a brand new league and I haven't even been logging in. Delve kept me interested. I looked forward to plunging in. Incursion kept me interested. The beasties kept me interested. All the leagues going back to Invasion kept me interested. This league doesn't. Tempest was probably the worst one, and even it kept me more interested than this league.

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ladish wrote:

I'm sure they will nerf them based on the feedback. Personally I have gotten occassional 1-shots that I would consider unfair due to screen clutter/multiple syndicates making any sort of telegraphing hard to see/react to. That said I didn't have much problem getting to 90 without skipping them. And my build isn't crazily tanky or anything.

True, getting to 90 is still quite easy. But goddamn, a decently rolled T14+ and you run into a fort or assassin? - good night. Almost on the same level as Uber Elder good night in some situations. Even worse you don't even know what the hell tapped you? After death explosion? Sniped? Add spawns? Who the fuck knows.

If I attempt any rare corrupted T14+'s (even 13's) I skip all Betrayal content and my build is almost entirely defensive based.

It's not that hard... Delve was elemental res league to get deep in mine this is physical/chaos res league to take out the syndicate. I'd advise basalt, granite, and atziri flasks. Sadly Lunaris pantheon is bugged and will reduce movement speed but it's the best here.

I'm still with tabula SSF 5.5 K life and no issues with captains. I did get wreked by Cat though...tried to fight her at 78.

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diablomix wrote:

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ladish wrote:

I'm sure they will nerf them based on the feedback. Personally I have gotten occassional 1-shots that I would consider unfair due to screen clutter/multiple syndicates making any sort of telegraphing hard to see/react to. That said I didn't have much problem getting to 90 without skipping them. And my build isn't crazily tanky or anything.

True, getting to 90 is still quite easy. But goddamn, a decently rolled T14+ and you run into a fort or assassin? - good night. Almost on the same level as Uber Elder good night in some situations. Even worse you don't even know what the hell tapped you? After death explosion? Sniped? Add spawns? Who the fuck knows.

If I attempt any rare corrupted T14+'s (even 13's) I skip all Betrayal content and my build is almost entirely defensive based.

Yeah I realize 90 vs 98 or something is a different story, and I fully expect them to rebalance.

Yep, me and my friend are among those who decided to skip it in order to level up...

It's a shame they still haven't fixed those 1-shots and the overall difficulty.
Some of them make Shaper look like a puppet.

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ladish wrote:

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diablomix wrote:

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ladish wrote:

I'm sure they will nerf them based on the feedback. Personally I have gotten occassional 1-shots that I would consider unfair due to screen clutter/multiple syndicates making any sort of telegraphing hard to see/react to. That said I didn't have much problem getting to 90 without skipping them. And my build isn't crazily tanky or anything.

True, getting to 90 is still quite easy. But goddamn, a decently rolled T14+ and you run into a fort or assassin? - good night. Almost on the same level as Uber Elder good night in some situations. Even worse you don't even know what the hell tapped you? After death explosion? Sniped? Add spawns? Who the fuck knows.

If I attempt any rare corrupted T14+'s (even 13's) I skip all Betrayal content and my build is almost entirely defensive based.

Yeah I realize 90 vs 98 or something is a different story, and I fully expect them to rebalance.

I hate when they do re-balance... like original invasion... Anyway it's not like ppl going to 100 or HC dont skip things every league anyway.

Like you im not particularly tanky, still on tabula and a witch and no issues to 90 never skipping one.

I did die to end syndicate boss when I switch to CI ill try her again.

I want to experience the hardest version after i find my gear. Not some nerfed watered down version.

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diablomix wrote:

There are a large number of Betrayal players skipping all Betrayal content simply by proc'ing a Syndicate Laboratory in a map and then never completing it so it proc's in all maps.

That way they can level and progress through the Atlas without the high risk of being one-shot and losing invaluable EXP.

You want to get to L95+? This is what a large number of players are doing. Skipping. The. F'N. League. Mechanic. Entirely.

And I don't blame them.

That is a serious problem.

GGG you made an interesting league with lots of content. But Betrayal is a total cluster fuck that needs to be toned the F down. The one-shot mechanics in high tier maps are cheap, brutal, and not one ounce of fun.

And then when they try to fight them later, they have zero experience with the encounters making the problem 1000% worse.

When people complain that they are impossible on red maps I want to know two things: 1) Did you practice doing them while leveling up? (no) 2) What does your board look like? Did you level them up and let them build relationships? (yes)

In fact, I suspect skipping them while leveling is the root of poeple's problem.

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EKTELESTES wrote:

Some of them make Shaper look like a puppet.

This is entirely because you've taken the time to learn that fight. You haven't in Betrayal.