Is leveling up gems by macro legal?

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Arandur wrote:

Technically you press "esc" for the game menu, move your cursor on "logout" and press "lmb".

A macro which performed those actions would almost certainly not be allowed.

That is not, however, what the commonly used log out macro does.

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Arandur wrote:

Wait...wouldn't logout-macros be forbidden than as well?
Technically you press "esc" for the game menu, move your cursor on "logout" and press "lmb".
That would be three actions bound in one macro --> forbidden.

Don't get it^^

IIRC they consider the logout macro to be akin to using Alt F4, thus, one action and "legal".

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Sarno wrote:

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Arandur wrote:

Technically you press "esc" for the game menu, move your cursor on "logout" and press "lmb".

A macro which performed those actions would almost certainly not be allowed.

That is not, however, what the commonly used log out macro does.

Which particular "logout macro" do you think of?

WE can argue indefinitely about "what it does and whether it should be allowed", because:

a) pressing 1 button to "trigger" ALT+F4 is basically "a substitute for 2 actions".
b) as well as "pressing 1 button to drink flask1 and flask2".

The difference is that a) is "allowed" (or "tolerated", call it whatever you want), while b) isn't.

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HarukaTeno wrote:

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Sarno wrote:

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Arandur wrote:

Technically you press "esc" for the game menu, move your cursor on "logout" and press "lmb".

A macro which performed those actions would almost certainly not be allowed.

That is not, however, what the commonly used log out macro does.

Which particular "logout macro" do you think of?

WE can argue indefinitely about "what it does and whether it should be allowed", because:

a) pressing 1 button to "trigger" ALT+F4 is basically "a substitute for 2 actions".
b) as well as "pressing 1 button to drink flask1 and flask2".

The difference is that a) is "allowed" (or "tolerated", call it whatever you want), while b) isn't.

You misunderstood the definition of "one action", which is quite common. Alt+F4 will send only one action to the server, so it's allowed, even if it requires two buttons to be pressed. Using two flasks actually requires the server to register both individually, so it's counted as several actions.

What the logout macro does, based on my shallow understanding (because I never bothered using it), is type and send a chat command, that logs out the player / exits to character selection. It does not do so via the menu.

They're not terribly specific about their rules, but these cases should be pretty clear.

Clicking on a gem level up is only one action, It has nothing to do with server actions its just whats enforceable and useful to ban and what isn't.

Care to link a source of this "server action" rule that seem be repeated by various users around here?

From what i recall it's just one action/macro no matter if it's a client action or server action (no one but the tech-savvy people really know the difference anyway)

The reason is that no one using macros should have an advantage over someone not using that.

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kompaniet wrote:

Care to link a source of this "server action" rule that seem be repeated by various users around here?

From what i recall it's just one action/macro no matter if it's a client action or server action (no one but the tech-savvy people really know the difference anyway)

The reason is that no one using macros should have an advantage over someone not using that.

Shamelessly copying links from Sarno's thread:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1694310

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/931994/page/1#p7906080

The first one refers to the commonly known "server side actions" and the second would probably apply here as "perform[ing] multiple actions on the client".

And here is a link that allows chat commands:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/473902/page/5

I skimmed through the ToS myself just now and from what I can tell, the only relevant area is a very small and vague part referencing bots. Basically, whatever macro GGG don't like is defined as botting and they won't ever have legal problems due to finer definitions.

The section specifies "without the prior written approval", so macros that are explicitly cleared to use by GGG employees are properly excepted.

Disclaimer: I'm neither an attorney nor have I just analysed the ToS word for word. It's entirely possible that I am missing something here and you should obviously consult a real attorney before even considering to take any action regarding this. If you happen to be banned for violating the ToS out of ignorance or a misunderstanding, it's quite possible that the support staff of GGG is understanding and will reduce a permanent ban to a temporary one. The above is purely my understanding of the subject. If anything specific you consider doing may or may not be against the ToS, you should always contact support prior to its use.

Thanks psycopath.