for everyone who wants a challange

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ACGIFT wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

GGG has always been aiming at providing a HC experience to all, regardless of the "technical" HC/SC leagues.
Deal with it.

GGG has always been aiming at an un-cheatable, HC experience to all, hence why they said they HAD to rely exclusively on a system that, by design, produced endless amounts of desync.

Deal with it.

Why don't you re-read what I ( and others ) said about desync and why lockstep came to be a thing, and show a bit of honesty for a change please ?

I always love when those "deal with it" are thrown stupidly and mindlessely to people that have no problem with the current system ( at least this part ).
I AM "dealing" with it, and I AM ENJOYING it.
You are the one QQing about the xp penalty on death.

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ACGIFT wrote:

Ah yes, you're resorting to the extremist straw-man: making a SLIGHT change would make PoE not "Even remotely a little bit hardcore."

You've run out of ideas.

I don't.
How much "no xp penalty" would change is game ( and not in a good way ) is so blatant it's mind blowing how you are trying to convince yourself otherwise.
And if you can't even read the explanations ( that you haven't debunked or anything, as you just can't ), well .... I really don't see why anybody should be considering you as somebody that could participate in this "discussion" (which is turning into a troll fest anyway, good job).

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ACGIFT wrote:

We've still passed your level, buddy. You're projecting a LOT when you're talking about "challenge," as it appears you've never even run a T16 map in your life?
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The fact that you think that there's real risk below the "deadly encounters"-type content says a lot about your playing style.

And now baseless pathetic attacks.

speaks VOLUME.

Has never played HC.
Talks about risk.

/rofl
/facepalm

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ACGIFT wrote:

Yeah, this argument is entirely bunk, given that the game still has SC vs. HC builds.

Irrelevant.
Please think.

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ACGIFT wrote:

Again, you've utterly run out of ideas to throw, so you just run on repeat with such a bad argument claiming that the EXP penalty is the only risk, and only challenge, in this entire game.

To leveling ?
Obviously is it.

I didn't think I'd throw that picture to you, but this illustrate this situation so well now :



I really thought that you were better than all those QQers, maybe I was just wrong.

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Fruz wrote:

Why don't you re-read what I ( and others ) said about desync and why lockstep came to be a thing, and show a bit of honesty for a change please ?

I always love when those "deal with it" are thrown stupidly and mindlessely to people that have no problem with the current system ( at least this part ).
I AM "dealing" with it, and I AM ENJOYING it.

But you're not playing with it the way it was originally made. You aren't bemoaning that it's been "ruined" because of those fixes from the "more hardcore" game.

I'm willing to bet that if changed, every white knight, as well as you, would just move to defend the NEW status quo.

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Fruz wrote:

How much "no xp penalty" would change is game ( and not in a good way ) is so blatant it's mind blowing how you are trying to convince yourself otherwise.

And your "explanations" are repeating the same claims with zero basis over and over again.

The only real change is we'd see an end of the "skip content until you've leveled" meta. Which, apparently, would be the end of PoE as a "real" game to you.

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Fruz wrote:

(which is turning into a troll fest anyway, good job).

That's actually been more on you, for repeating the same (debunked) ideas over and over.

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Fruz wrote:

And now baseless pathetic attacks.

"Baseless?"

It's a simple fact: you've never actually attempted any of the things that stand a passable chance to kill most of the good players.

If I wanted to attack, I'd not be talking about your inexperience with the game, but rather something like how long/much money you've sunk into it.

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Fruz wrote:

Irrelevant.

Irrelevant because it CLEARLY shows that the penalty to EXP is all the same: losing 10%, losing a character, equal, right?

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Fruz wrote:

Please think.

Please don't talk to yourself on the forums. It's kinda spammy.

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Fruz wrote:

To leveling ?
Obviously is it.

On... What basis? You've done nothing but repeat the statement along with a (debunked) claim that it forces build decisions.

The only confirmed thing it changes is that players simply skip "interesting" content until they level.

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Fruz wrote:

I really thought that you were better than all those QQers, maybe I was just wrong.

No, your actual line of thinking was "huh, he looks smart, I bet he must agree with everything I must think, because I'm always right!" "Wait, he doesn't agree with everything? Could I possibly be wrong? Naw, I just misjudged him, he's just a QQ'er!"

And since you're posting images, this aptly describes your line of thinking:



And to be honest, the above isn't personal; really, most of the rest of the game's community isn't any different there.

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ACGIFT wrote:

I spy a couple of newbies that've probably never hit level 90 once. I mean, they've got something to hide, if they're hiding their challenge/character list.

Want to check my profile?

Death penalty is fine. It absolutely belongs in the game and it forces you to build and play properly if you want to level 90+. The soft core meta would shift drastically towards extreme glass cannons without it. Its removal would be terrible for the game.

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ACGIFT wrote:

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So you are down to "NO YOU !", I see ...
*sigh*

Since I do value my time, I will try to keep this short :

- Between us, I'm the one playing the game, and enjoying it. You're the one bitching and you have literally unlocked nothing in Delve league. That is a fact.
I'm fine with the current game mechanics regarding penalty on death.
You are complaining to pput it mildly.

- You don't want to read what other people have said, it's fine, just don't pretend that you're actually arguing or anything, you're just trolling at this point.
MANY reasons have been explained already, you have not debunked anything, just been purposefully ignoring what isn't convenient to you.

- You don't know what "facts" are I guess, so yes : baseless.
And seeing somebody playing exclusivey trade softcore league ( highest character being one of the most broken fotm builds too, hahaha ) trying to "attack" ( yes, perfectly fitting for this situation ) others on "challenging" content is really risible, not to use other adjectives that could be moderated.

- The part about purchases is ... WOW lol, I want to describe who does behave in such a way and who does not usually but I might get moderated, just it could be seen as "nedleesely negative". It's also so irrelevant here that it's mind-blowingly [auto-censored].

- If you can't understand how no xp penalty would remove any difficulty to level until the highest levels .... what are you even doing here ? I would recommend other things, but that could potentially be "nedlessely negative" so I just won't.

- the rest is just the same story than the post and kettle, or .... just you not being able to understand what going on here maybe, idk.


Have fun with your life lol.

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Phaeded wrote:

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It's simply because it wouldn't really change anything about the way I play other than I wouldn't avoid certain content when I was close to leveling up. Like, I would never attempt Shaper when I'm 75% to 94. I would ding first then do that. I wouldn't have to do that any more if there was no death penalty and I'm not sure that is a bad thing or unhealthy for the game. I haven't really been able to come up with any reasonable counterargument and no one in this thread has presented any yet so I don't feel I have any choice but to adjust my position.

I fully agree that the "play it safe until you ding the next level" effect sucks big time. That said, I do believe the game would change for the worse. Here is what I believe would happen:
1. Many people would shift their builds closer to the offense side of the offense-defense balance bar. Not all, but enough for step 2 to kick in:
2. This would force GGG to up the damage and/or life of at least the bosses, probably all content.
3. This in turn would leave players who build slow and steady rather than glass cannon even more in the dust than now.
4. This in turn makes the price for "well balanced" builds even higher and the cycle repeats at step 1.

Result: The forced speed clear meta would be ratcheted up even further. And I know I'm not alone in hating the forced speed gameplay.

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The grind is too much because you need to avoid any potentially dangerous (read:fun) factors, like reflect, -max, double/triple extra damage, bosses... Many a 1%'er would have a lvl 100 by now if it wasn't for the fact that road to there is synonymous to "AVOID ALL CONTENT".

I only need to avoid reflect, thats all. Double, triple elemental damage don't do anything to stop me. Maybe I'll skip a guardian if the 8 mods are too extreme but thats all. Don't act like every build needs to pussyfoot around content.

copying a build form the forums = knowing what you're doing. Unfortunately I can't even disagree with that.

Come back when you do the same with an original build LEL

[Removed by Support] Not taking advantage of what the game offers then coming to cry how your cobbled up together mess doesn't hold. What do you expect? And most importantly what do you want to change? Make it a nice happy land where everything you do results in great success?

Also nice to see your profile is private. Do you really have any right to judge when you yourself are hiding?

[Removed by Support] We now know your viewpoint (if you're good enough, the death penalty is fine) and it is a valid point. The other side has also made valid points on why the dp is not OK as is.
Let this be a discussion, not a flamewar or pissing contest, please.

No, it's just that I noticed your posts right from the start are basically all "get better" and "stop whining for an easier game".

I have no strong opinion either way on the dp...