Auction House

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Synopse wrote:

Why are people still asking for this?
GGG is not willing to add easy trade, since they belief that they have to lower drop chances at the same time (and know that either would kill their game).
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870

People will continue to ask for easier and easier game until there is no reason to play the game at all anymore. It is just how some people function.

Then they will move onto the next game to ruin that one as well, most players don't care about long term success only about short term high.

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Holmiester wrote:

The ridiculous assumption in this post of course is that adding sale automation would ruin the game.

Again.

People are still going to be able to trade via whisper or forum shop.

wait, wait, wait...

you think there should be status quo trading AND an AH?

and what a "ridiculous" assumption.

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robmafia wrote:

you only get evasive "responses."

such as 'it's not p2w because you can still farm for items'

or 'what's wrong with p2w?'

see? called it.

is it deja vu, or do i know this because it's happened repeatedly?

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robmafia wrote:

wait, wait, wait...

you think there should be status quo trading AND an AH?

and what a "ridiculous" assumption.

An automated system would not stop forum shops existing, just as the current trade sites didn't stop them. And an automated system would not prevent people arranging sales by whispering. Stop talking nonsense.

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robmafia wrote:

see? called it.

is it deja vu, or do i know this because it's happened repeatedly?

It was pointed out that the current system requires premium stashes and therefore qualifies as p2w by that guy's definition.

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Holmiester wrote:

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Phaeded wrote:

Would your AH require premium tabs? Clearly a true AH can't function as an extension of the forum shops. So would it require premium tabs? If so, then I think it's a non-starter for at least two reasons:

1. Premium tabs are a revenue source so you can't just give them away.
2. If premium tabs are required to participate in AH then they become de facto P2W as the only way to participate in trade fully is to buy into it.

So, for all you pro-AH guys, how would you suggest this quite critical conflict be resolved? I just don't see how the two can coexist and you can't get rid of the primary revenue stream. I'm interested in what you guys think.

Premium tabs are already needed "to participate in trade fully" as you phrase it.

My bad. Please replace the word “fully” with “at all” and try again. There are currently free 3rd party tools and the forums that can be used to set up a shop. Those won’t work in an AH. So to trade at all how would it work? This is a serious question. I don’t think it can at all but I’m open to having my mind changed.

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Holmiester wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

wait, wait, wait...

you think there should be status quo trading AND an AH?

and what a "ridiculous" assumption.

An automated system would not stop forum shops existing, just as the current trade sites didn't stop them. And an automated system would not prevent people arranging sales by whispering. Stop talking nonsense.

WAT


the "trade sites" needed the forum listings to exist - it's what they did. index the listings. and... it's what they do now. index the listings, forum or premium tabs. you seemed to insinuate that "trade sites" conflict with the forum... at this point, i don't think you even understand what the "trade sites" even did/do.

an AH is a completely different mechanic. OBVIOUSLY. this isn't even apples to oranges, it's apples to monorails.


and you completely missed the deja vu part. completely.

I would like this, so that I didn't have to spam the first 20 people listed to find one who can be arsed to answer.

The tedium of trade hurts this game more than it helps it.

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Phaeded wrote:

My bad. Please replace the word “fully” with “at all” and try again. There are currently free 3rd party tools and the forums that can be used to set up a shop. Those won’t work in an AH. So to trade at all how would it work? This is a serious question. I don’t think it can at all but I’m open to having my mind changed.

GGG's current system involves publicly listed items, which are searchable through https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search. Other trade methods also exist , but this is the company's own system, and it requires premium stash tabs. Thus your reword doesn't change anything.

Also note that I for one have not been suggesting an 'AH' as such - which usually means depositing items into a searchable repository, which maintains the items for purchase independently of your own storage space and can even sell your stuff while you are offline. Instead, I have been suggesting something that is extremely similar to the current system. instead of whispering people to arrange a transaction, it would just automatically take the item from the seller's stash and gives it to the purchaser, and takes the listed currency from the purchaser and gives it to the seller.

Basically the same, and so still has the same reliance on premium tabs that currently exists, but no whispering.

Note that it has been pointed out numerous times that automation aids bot trawling, but it has also been pointed out in response that GGG could easily implement a cooldown between automated purchases, or limit it to x uses per time and similar, or limit it only to currency... so on and so forth. Plenty of tools to play with to manage such a system.

P.S.
It is becoming increasingly obvious that there is no point attempting to reason with robmafia.

Or there is no point arguing for a system they will never implement, doing so would mean alienating a large number of supporters that supported them for NOT having an AH.

Keep crying for one all you want, in this case GGG isn't going to cave.

I am a player giving a feedback. And GGG would not be the first game company to swear they will never do X, only to do X later on.

Also, I have serious doubts that the people swearing that they will quit the game if there is ever sale automation will actually do so. My estimation is not even one in ten will follow through.