This game is ridiculously pay to win.

Troll detected :) But anyway. Let’s do some math. We have 4 stash tabs, 144 grid spaces each. If we assume, some “new player” wants to have 1 piece of each map, it is 158 now. And we are talking about one piece of each. Before “war for the atlas” 1 tab would be enough but now it is 1 tab and 14 grids of another tab.

Then… nice to have at least some currency. Well, if somebody wants to 6l something with Vorici’s help, it will take 75 grids of fusing orbs. So we can pretty safely assume, currency tab alone will take approximately 1,5 tabs. Now we have 2,5 tabs full of maps and currency alone. But hey, there are also 3 kinds of fragments consists of 4 pieces. Then many kinds of essences (yes, they could be ignored, but how new player can new it), about 200 of different divination cards, offerings… And we have not even talked about any items yet:)

And what about trading? Have you ever tried to trade without premium stash tab? Try it:) That’s all about not P2W. Two years ago the game was not P2W, now it is.
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Troll detected :) But anyway. Let’s do some math. We have 4 stash tabs, 144 grid spaces each. If we assume, some “new player” wants to have 1 piece of each map...

Whyever would anyone want that?
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And what about trading? Have you ever tried to trade without premium stash tab? Try it:) That’s all about not P2W. Two years ago the game was not P2W, now it is.

It's rather inconvenient, granted, but with Acquisition it works ok. But yeah, a premium stash tab is a huge convenience.
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Last edited by peachii on Jun 13, 2018, 10:41:11 AM
PEOPLE.

PEOPLE.

PEOPLE.

THE MAN WAS MAKING A JOKE.

HE WAS WISECRACKING ABOUT THE DELUGE OF MTX SKINS GGG'S BEEN SHOVING DOWN OUR THROATS LATELY.

HE WAS KIDDING.

HE WASN'T BEING SERIOUS.

HE WASN'T ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT PAYING TO WIN.

HE WAS TRYING TO BE FUNNY. HE FAILED, BUT HE WAS TRYING.

LEAVE THE MUTILATED HORSE SMEAR BE.

THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO BEAT.

RECALIBRATE YOUR SARCASM METERS.

ALL'A YOU.
Last edited by 1453R on Jun 13, 2018, 11:23:05 AM
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1453R wrote:
PEOPLE.

PEOPLE.

PEOPLE.

THE MAN WAS MAKING A JOKE.

HE WAS WISECRACKING ABOUT THE DELUGE OF MTX SKINS GGG'S BEEN SHOVING DOWN OUR THROATS LATELY.

HE WAS KIDDING.

HE WASN'T BEING SERIOUS.

HE WASN'T ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT PAYING TO WIN.

HE WAS TRYING TO BE FUNNY. HE FAILED, BUT HE WAS TRYING.

LEAVE THE MUTILATED HORSE SMEAR BE.

THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO BEAT.

RECALIBRATE YOUR SARCASM METERS.

ALL'A YOU.


I know its hard to read and take off caps aparently but it was the second post people were responding to.
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Malice4201 wrote:


I know its hard to read and take off caps aparently but it was the second post people were responding to.


*Siiiiiiiiiiiiigh*

OTL

Yes. I understood that, Malice. It's not actually difficult to understand. The Second Post, in this instance, is the horrible gristly mangled smear of liquefied necrotic flesh and rancid rotten blood within the club-battered depression in the ground where once there was a dead horse, before the sticks and rocks of a thousand neckbeards fell ten thousand times, and then ten thousand times again, upon its broken lifeless body over the course of a decade.

There is no version of the PEE TWO DUBBLEYOU "discussion" which has not been had a million times over. It's over. It's done with. The horse is dead. The horse has been dead for years. There's no corpse left to beat. You all have beaten that dead horse until it collapsed into mulch. You are beating the ground the dead horse used to be on. You are digging the dead horse a grave using the shattered, splintered flinders of its own skeleton. You are digging a Dead Horse Well.

Knock. It. Off. Already.
I came in here to see if this was the same old Tabs are PTW and I was pleasantly surprised to see it was ironic.

It took one whole post for someone to get all serioso and ruin the fun. Way to go, PoE Forums.
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1453R wrote:

*Siiiiiiiiiiiiigh*

OTL

Yes. I understood that, Malice. It's not actually difficult to understand. The Second Post, in this instance, is the horrible gristly mangled smear of liquefied necrotic flesh and rancid rotten blood within the club-battered depression in the ground where once there was a dead horse, before the sticks and rocks of a thousand neckbeards fell ten thousand times, and then ten thousand times again, upon its broken lifeless body over the course of a decade.

There is no version of the PEE TWO DUBBLEYOU "discussion" which has not been had a million times over. It's over. It's done with. The horse is dead. The horse has been dead for years. There's no corpse left to beat. You all have beaten that dead horse until it collapsed into mulch. You are beating the ground the dead horse used to be on. You are digging the dead horse a grave using the shattered, splintered flinders of its own skeleton. You are digging a Dead Horse Well.

Knock. It. Off. Already.


And yet we can observe a shift in the conclusion over time.

At release, they were advertising "ethical mtx only", and PoE was definitely not pay2win. Didn't stop people from making threads about "winning" through paid additional stash space, hidden rng-buffs if you wore lots of mtx, etc.

Then the best available trading method was bound to a paid feature (premium tabs) and paying increased your grinding efficiency (the specialised tabs). At each step you saw new threads in which the poor horse was flogged, skinned, and ground into mush ever more.

By 2018, as my previous comment outlines, PoE can be fairly classified as a pay2win game. But you can play it without paying, and you can define yourself as winning without playing, so people with contrary selective opinions still have grounds for discussion.

So... given the lingering "ethical mtx" remnants, and the expectation of additional currency/fragment items in future expansions increasing stash pressure... the threads will never stop ;)
*SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH*

................OTL.........................

Y'know people, there are legitimate things you could pick to be mad at Grinding Gear over, instead of grinding more dirt out of Dead Horse Well.
3 pages and my question still wasn't answered lol.
Clickbait title tilted too many people... Obviously it was sarcasm.

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