Is everyone enjoying rolepalying a genocidal plunderer?

"

鬼殺し wrote:

Their players might be immature little shits, but that doesnt mean they should be too. Your lack of perspective is staggering.

Lack of perspective, you say? How about people who don't give a single fuck about native whatever and simply want to have fun playing video games?
I mean, does EVERYTHING have to be about some minority/oppressed group/some historic event? And any mention of it is met with screeching and endless cry out about creators of these things being immature and insensitive?

I'd say you lack perspective of someone who isn't offended by literally everything. From that perspective, things like these look silly, at best.

But before you respond - no, I'm not saying that these things should be forgotten like they never happened. People who cry out about any mention of them do.

It isn't about standards - it is about attitude. If you chose to be offended by video game theme, you will be.

"

鬼殺し wrote:

"

KalAthar wrote:

Well to be fair everyone is thinking about historical similarities only skin deep (which is a reflection of their own need for stereotyping "outrage").

The Vaal were not the low tech rubes being taken advantage of by a more more powerful culture in this scenario, they literally made a magic version of skynet and destroyed themselves... the "conquistadors" here are more like mad max-esque scavengers of that more advanced tech.

"But they were brown and looked sort of like a real culture" is all window dressing, and you should be ashamed of your own shallowness.

We didnt choose that window-dressing, and the people who did tapped a bunch of cliches to do it, thereby cheapening any depth behind it.

Nice try though. Bet you were proud of yourself in cleverly reversing things.

Dont be.

You know, when people are breaking up with someone, they do an awful lot of self-manipulation to make it the fault of the other person in the relationship... make them "deserve it". That's currently you towards GGG. You aren't clever, you aren't deep, you are just seeking validation from yourself. Stop wasting your life and move on.

Imagine if Cortés had Arc Traps.

"

johnKeys wrote:

Imagine if Cortés had Arc Traps.

i might be blurring multiple histories together but i believe he had level 99 Contagion + level 99 Increased AoE + Trap Support

Well, the way I see it, we're not killing the peaceful Vaal population, but the evil/corrupted Atziri's fanatics, so it's a little less genocidal than it first seems - but, yes, we're doing it for the loot and not for the greater good, so meh.

I commented something along the more general Vaal culture lines recently in another thread: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2159520.

I don't know if any here have played the Expeditions: Conquistador game, developed by a Danish studio via kickstarter. It's pretty interesting how, as a Spanish captain you can choose how you interact with the peoples of the New World. You can assemble a team of homicidal maniacs, religious fanatics, ordinary soldiers, or you can go the diplomatic route, recruiting diplomatically inclined troopers, Native allies, or the virtuous, knightly sort. The combat is pretty old school as I remember, tile based.

The biggest complaints I remember when the game first came out was that there were female choices among your recruits.

Anyway, if anyone's curious, I'll drop a wiki link here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expeditions:_Conquistador

Charan, for love of Dominus, PoE was like this from the very beginning. The whole Vaal culture is based on Aztecs and whatnot.

And please, stop with the TencentGGG nonsense.

Anyways, if you think it is poorly thought out, can you tell me a better way of doing it while maintaining the mechanics?
Seriously, we're talking killing and looting stuff - does it really matter all that much?

Lets give them a try in 20 years PoE will be offical history of native muricans and their tragedy.


Com ppl are You really THAT sensitive? Where were You growing up? On the left side of the planet?

Funniest is when Alva yammers about you leaving the master of ceremonies alive and how we're now responsible for the countless of lives being sacrificed while we go back in time to slaughter several thousand people every time we finish a pyramid.

Not like it matters the Vall Empire and almost everybody living in it died during the communion anyway. So from the present day perspective, we're only killing the dead. And then rob their graves.

Sometimes I think there is a subsection of the population that enjoys being offended and therefore look for things to take offence to every where.

Interesting way to live I guess but... seems to stressful for me