Tencent & Charan

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鬼殺し wrote:

It's all the more sad to me because I was only just getting into CoH when they started to kill it. I managed to ride the glory days of EQ1, of DAoC, of Guild Wars 1, and I think of PoE...but CoH eluded me the moment I made my (surprise) black-cloaked katana-wielding badass.

I'll never forget the great CoH meme though. Go hunt. Kill Skuls. :)

DAoC... now THERE'S a game where one change early on, that was "popular", led to a long-term demise, where everyone instead remembers the game ruined by the "Artifact" expansion.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't like Artifacts either, but the whole game concept was changed forever when they removed the frontiers in favor of instanced combat.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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themousemaster wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

It's all the more sad to me because I was only just getting into CoH when they started to kill it. I managed to ride the glory days of EQ1, of DAoC, of Guild Wars 1, and I think of PoE...but CoH eluded me the moment I made my (surprise) black-cloaked katana-wielding badass.

I'll never forget the great CoH meme though. Go hunt. Kill Skuls. :)

DAoC... now THERE'S a game where one change early on, that was "popular", led to a long-term demise, where everyone instead remembers the game ruined by the "Artifact" expansion.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't like Artifacts either, but the whole game concept was changed forever when they removed the frontiers in favor of instanced combat.

I quit around Darkness Falls I believe it was. We were 100% Percival, where the RP was so strictly enforced 'Charan Blackcloak' as a name was deemed not authentically in-character, and a GM gave me a talking-to about appropriate names for Hibernians. I was kind of pissed at the time but in hindsight, oh I miss that.

So I never saw a DAoC without frontiers. Sounds like the sort of change they'd have made under pressure from people crying that RvR was unfair. Which is funny, since WoW took the idea of RvR and dumbed the shit out of it anyway, from what I recall.

It wasn't done due to complaints about RvR being unfair, it was due to (semi-valid) complaints about not enough of it. All player-vs-player interactions that WEREN'T keep-assaults had basically come down to huge groups of people at the Emain Macha point pingponging kills in an method that, were it seen today, would be accused of being staged, just so they could get the Realm Points.

So they removed the frontiers and made instances of RvR, so that people wouldn't have to do all that "waiting" of being out in the frontiers when they weren't seeing people to kill.

And the people rejoiced... for a couple months. Then they all got bored of the on-demand RvR.

Basically, giving people EXACTLY what they wanted ended up being a long-term loss proposition. Go figure ;p.

(Other MMO's have been attempting methods to give action while avoiding burnout since then, some succeeding, some failing... thankfully, DAoC2 seems to want to learn from those mistakes. I can hope ;p)

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鬼殺し wrote:

I do wonder if we'll finally see custom leagues soon. They're a goldmine just waiting to be tapped, but probably proved too much work for the old GGG.

The foundations are actually there - it was called legacy league. So for a paid league they could just use the mechanic but have the selection of active league stones be permanent.

This is bothering me so I have to say it. CoH = Company of Heroes.

It took me an urban dictionary link to find out what you guys are using this abbreviation for.

I wont be supporting a company who's profits ultimately fund China's dictator to include its war machine. China is building up it's military might and Tencent's profit contribute to that.

Is it possible to not buy products made in China or not buy products whose manufacture contributed to the government of China?

I own an iPhone. I certainly won't stop playing POE because Tencent owns the company now any more than I would stop participating in the forums here. Hard cash, I'll think about.

I try not to buy anything made by Monsanto, because I think they are a very bad company. But in today's multinational world, it is difficult.

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鬼殺し wrote:

It's almost impossible to fully trace the origin of things. Think about how many bits and pieces are in your PC. Your car. Your appliances. Everything.

I'm generally in favour of a global community, which is part of why I'm probably at odds with certain others here. I think I've made it abundantly clear it's not the fact that Tencent are Chinese that really irks me...Chinese-owned GGG though...nope, still feels weird to type.

But American-Owned GGG would too. Australian-owned would be unthinkable. Anything but NZ-Owned GGG signals the end of something truly special for me.

German-owned GGG would be an interesting one. Their way of censorship is truly something else.

Goblin-kin owned!

I really dunno how this will end. I think there is not enought data about situations and plans. Im careful but not really terryfied. Well not more than usuall regarding the worlds state.

But i hope one thing - IF something will break PoE i hope they will release exe installer for playing offline before they close the servers. Just that. Maby with some menu that allows to pick what League i want to play.