Not enjoying the quest for the Uber Elder

I'm a very patient person. I've done 40/40 challenges in 5 of the last 6 leagues. But my patience is wearing thin.

I no longer even bother clearing maps, just run to the boss and kill it and advance the influence. My character will soon be lv 96 from just doing this endlessly. I've dropped and sold enough Watcher's Eyes, Impresence amulets and other assorted Elder/Guardian loot to buy maps till the end of this league. But I can't buy luck.

I have a few more tries left in me, but then I'll be done too. Needless to say, I won't be supporting GGG in any foreseeable future.

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_Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

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Unfortunately, you have missed the point of my post, which is about knowing your limit.

Complaining about content being grindy and RNG gated in PoE is... odd, it's like you have forgotten what kind of game you are playing.


Everything in this game is RNG gated. Now, you can skip most of it by trading, but even then, when farming currency, you can get still get screwed over by RNG, getting no returns from maps and lab runs over and over and over again, meanwhile some other guy can pop a barrel and drop a mirror.

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Kelvynn wrote:

Apparently, this piece of shit is not meant to be found in mere 230 hours, that would be 'too easy'.

230 hours is, if you play around 5 hours a day, about a month and half. Still within the 3 month league span.

And what if their planned statistical average time is actually 400 hours? 500? Would that be too grindy? No, it's still within a temp league time span (but you would have to play more daily). Would it be too grindy for YOU? Well then, this is a completely separate issue.

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is that OP clearly has the capability of reaching the content.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall there being a rule stating that just because you character power level is high enough to do some content, means you get instant access to it.
If a guy spends his last bits of currency on finishing his shaper and uber atziri killing build, he will still need to spend time to get their sets, either by farming currency or farming the sets themselves. Why should Uber Elder be any different?

Time to reach content = time to grind gear for it + time to grind access to it. Clearly, OP has fulfilled only one of the criteria.

To make myself perfectly clear, I am not saying that OP's frustration is not justified or that the grind isn't severe. What I am saying is that you guys need to let it go and relax, and don't let RNG around ONE part of the game ruin the whole game. Just accept the fact that, bar some lucky outliers, Uber Elder was meant for players who can invest 2 or 3 times the time YOU can into the game.
I mean, you can buy all the drops from this fight, and I don't even think it gives you atlas completion or any other bonus. In fact, the whole encounter is not even that amazingly unique (you fight Elder AND Shaper at the same time, wow, so original!).
Saying that "well that one guy got the last fragment two weeks ago while I am stuck spinning the roulette wheel" is like saying "that guy dropped an exalt in his first map while I didn't drop a single chaos orb in 15". It happens, the whole game is based around RNG crap. It's just that this particular content doesn't have the currency equivalent of its "time to grind" yet. Maybe there will be an Uber Elder set or something, who knows.

TLDR: the whole game is one giant RNG roulette. If you think this content takes too much time to reach, don't do it, it was meant for players who can invest more time in the game than you.

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_Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

Holy shit the whitest of knights. Just go ahead and contact Support to get on that GGG payroll. Christ.

White knighting? Lol, really?

Let me explain this differently. You, the OP, and group of other players, have enough time to grind for content that many others can't reach (after all, only a percentage of people reach Shaper and bla bla, you know the stats). Some players complain how it is too grindy, others simply accept that this the nature of the "beast" and move on, either stay in their comfort zone or leave the game.

Now GGG released content that is too time gated for your group of players, and I personally think it is more reasonable to relax and accept it rather than waste your time and nerve cells when clearly, the cost vs reward is not good enough for you.

Let me tell you this - the only way Uber Elder can be considered too gated is when, after looking at the number of people that reached Uber, GGG decides that the percentage is smaller than what they had in mind. And if the percentage meets the benchmark, then it means that there are enough players for whom the grind and RNG isn't too extreme... you are just not part of them. Which is ok, and definitely not a reason to slam the entire game for.

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MECHanokl wrote:

And what if their planned statistical average time is actually 400 hours? 500? Would that be too grindy? No, it's still within a temp league time span (but you would have to play more daily).

Are you seriously trying to say that reaching the new endgame boss by the end of the league is normal? That it's something that's supposed to be done once per league?

Maybe it's normal for you since you play in Standard and unlocking the boss one time means permanent access to it for you. But Standard is not the main focus of this game. New content is designed for the new leagues. And if you try playing in a new league you'll see my point.

Also, you are talking about things you haven't even seen yourself: as your profile shows, you haven't done ANY endgame content, even in Standard. Wait till you get there and experience it before arguing about it.

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Kelvynn wrote:

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MECHanokl wrote:

And what if their planned statistical average time is actually 400 hours? 500? Would that be too grindy? No, it's still within a temp league time span (but you would have to play more daily).

Are you seriously trying to say that reaching the new endgame boss by the end of the league is normal? That it's something that's supposed to be done once per league?

Maybe it's normal for you since you play in Standard and unlocking the boss one time means permanent access to it for you. But Standard is not the main focus of this game. New content is designed for the new leagues. And if you try playing in a new league you'll see my point.

Also, you are talking about things you haven't even seen yourself: as your profile shows, you haven't done ANY endgame content, even in Standard. Wait till you get there and experience it before arguing about it.

I mean, if you really checked my profile, you would see that I have done actual endgame - in legacy league I have fully completed atlas and in fact killed shaper. Shaper was extremely troublesome for me, for some reason I kept instance crashing him over and over again on phase 3 - as you might imagine, it was extremely fun. But eventually I culled him (crashed again at that same moment) and got my achievment, to never ever do this crap again. I didn't do Uber atziri because I was afraid that same thing would happen again. Maybe irrational, but I was seriously done at that point.

Unless of course Shaper, corrupted guardians and vaal temple do not count as endgame. Was there some kind of secret endgame before Uber Elder? If so, please enlighten me.

Back to the topic, I would understand you if NOBODY managed to reach Uber Elder by this point in the league. Clearly, this is not the case, and it's not even month 2. So clearly, it's not too grindy at all. It's too grindy for YOU, but then again, don't do it then. It's a one fight out of a whole game, and you can buy the loot anyway.

And let's not talk about what "casual" players should be able to reach in a league, ok? "Casual" players can't even reach Shaper or Guardians in a league (while others reach them in 2 days).

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MECHanokl wrote:

alot of casual talk lol I killed shaper blah blah

Now there is no shame in being a casual player killing shaper is like 1 day or 2 at most is a super casual goal to have no shame in it.

I am a super casual player myself ;=)


Anything like challanges, what boss you kill, you play on Sc Or HC is just bullshit SSF vegan. Drop that type of talk is quite pointless

Please make a valid point and try to make some sense on it

ok back on topic we talking uber elder, and how random its to hit elder on a T15 and how possible is for someone to never get it in 3 months

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noheal wrote:

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MECHanokl wrote:

alot of casual talk lol I killed shaper blah blah

Now there is no shame in being a casual player killing shaper is like 1 day or 2 at most is a super casual goal to have no shame in it.

I am a super casual player myself ;=)


Anything like challanges, what boss you kill, you play on Sc Or HC is just bullshit SSF vegan. Drop that type of talk is quite pointless

Please make a valid point and try to make some sense on it

ok back on topic we talking uber elder, and how random its to hit elder on a T15 and how possible is for someone to never get it in 3 months

I am sorry what now?

OP stated that he checked my profile and that I didn't do endgame. I have no idea why it had anything to do with the topic, but simply pointed out that this is not the case. Don't say that you check other people profiles when you actually don't. Simple.

Again, casuals do not reach Shaper, that is what statistics say. Unless you want to say that a couple of percent of players in this game are casual... Then who the hell are the other 97%? Uber casuals? Stop being ridiculous.

Back on topic, if Uber was too grindy, nobody would be able do it in the first month. People did, so this is a mute point. If the time investment is too much for you, don't do it. Maybe in the future, they will introduce Uber Elder set so that more people can do the fight.

Complaining about RNG in PoE is also a mute point, since that's the whole game. When you circumvent RNG gating of certain items by buiyng them with currency, you still depend on the RNG for currency farming, which can make it much faster or much slower... just like RNG can make it much faster or much slower to get to Uber Elder.

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Kelvynn wrote:

Needless to say, I won't be supporting GGG in any foreseeable future.

i am kinda looking forward how many people will realy do this since it maybe be the only way to show GGG how upset, we the players, their costumers, are about many of their latest leagues, mechanics and design decisions.

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MECHanokl wrote:

OP stated that he checked my profile and that I didn't do endgame. I have no idea why it had anything to do with the topic, but simply pointed out that this is not the case. Don't say that you check other people profiles when you actually don't. Simple.

Sigh...



You realize that everybody can see this, right? One can also see your challenges in the leagues. You did the Shaper in 2.6 (before this ach was added) one time. You haven't killed him in any leagues before or after 2.6. I don't know if you've ever seen the Elder in Standard, but you haven't played in Abyss or Bestiary and haven't even used a Shaper orb since 2.6.

What does it have to do with this discussion? Everything. You are talking about things you don't know anything about. You've seen some videos of some people killing the Uber Elder, and you have no clue how that actually happened and what's involved in getting there. Your whole argument is based on the claim that it's not impossible and therefore there is nothing wrong. But you have no idea what you are even talking about. You are not qualified to argue about it.

to be "fair", didnt chris say that it will be extremly hard to get to uber elder? beside that pointed out, i think its a design failure to gate content behind huge rng cluster fuck. i have no problem to grind for something when i can expect an outcome, but this clusterfuck of a design "innovation" is as poorly done as bestiary league as a whole.