GGG's argument about AH/state of trade that is grinding my gears - 2018 edition
" So you're option A holding out for option D or C, depending on what C represents. Fair enough. :) As for instant buyouts, that's exactly how I use poe.trade when I use it. Buyout only, online only. The less time spent trading the better. I'm always civil and I've never personally interacted with anything but civil people. I typically overpay if they're prompt and polite. But I don't enjoy the idea of trade and it's not why I play PoE. As I've said before, if I wanted to engage in a healthy, exciting economy I'd go play Eve again. I don't feel it has much place in a loot-based ARPG (see my ultimate desire that the game be SSF) but if it must have a place in a loot-based ARPG, I'd like it to be streamlined and convenient, not some obscure meta-game requiring hours upon hours of research in a frontier town style lawless market rife with opportunism and greed. Guess I'm weird like that. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between. I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. Last edited by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Feb 11, 2018, 8:58:31 PM
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Well i'm primarily against instant buy-outs for potential market abuse scripts, which in a game like this is a given if implemented.
And just like GGG can't spend resources on the bullshit some people create now economy wise, they wouldn't be able to invest properly in that problem either. I guess it's a mater of weighting upsides vs downsides on a macro scale. I see benefit in providing the "entire" community with a functional trade structure, but not at the cost of sacrificing the entire economy for it.(which is what would happen with an instant system) Peace, -Boem- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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" That's a fair point. I do tend to forget that the shady behaviour we see in the existing system might not be a result of a system begging to be abused, and that the same people very likely will abuse any other. That's *my* naivete right there. Guess we're fucked either way now. It's all part of the larger package where PoE is dressed up as a self-serving, highly competitive experience. But if so, we're back to GGG refusing to acknowledge that and outright saying, yes, we are okay with 'light' scamming and price fixing as a necessary evil...even though they don't really have to come out and say it at this point. Which puts me personally back at the stance where I believe GGG are cool with whatever as long as the support continues to roll in and the player concurrency is nice and high at the start of each league. Not the most pleasant of stances but it'll do. For now. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.
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" No, it didnt. If it did it would still be there. |
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" No. What I am fundamentally claiming is that players don't only trade when it's absolutely required. |
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" Totaly agree! |
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13 pages of some people not understanding what this thread is about and constantly trying to discuss how AH would ruin PoE. Why are some of you against poe.trade implementation into the game is beyond me. But I understand the AH killed D3 stigma. Which is also funny in a way because D3 is still around, lol.
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" well actually AH worked just fine when RM aspect was removed. You probably dont know this, but AH was only removed bacause D3 go from trade based game to fully BoA game, which also included improved drop rates, more targeted loot for chosen class and better quests rewards. But we are not here to discuss D3 AH, we are here to talk about trade improvements in poe, which as needed as they are, will never happen cause ~insert GGG reasons~ YES I support the game, NO I don't agree with many GGG decisions
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" The D3 AH well was poisoned from the start by the RM aspect and it never fully recovered from that. This is partly because the itemisation in D3 was the absolute opposite of what it is now back then: you found fuck-all items as you went and the merchants never had anything good; you were expected to use that Auction House to gear up, by either selling what you found along the way or just RMing it. So where PoE is balanced around the belief that people will trade, D3 circa 2012 was balanced around the expectation that people would use the super convenient AH despite the RM stigma. And like I said, the game never recovered from that. Had it been a non-RM AH from the start, I think GGG would have caught a lot fewer players in those first few years. Plenty of people I knew back then jumped from the D3 ship because of the sheer greed involved in an RMAH where Blizzard got a cut of every fucking transaction. But they jumped from the PoE ship not that much later because the trade situation here was just as bad, just in a different way. Each year that passed and we didn't see trade improvements despite the game being made significantly harder to cope with the ease of players mimicking whatever was in meta-game wise was another year of people seeking greener pastures. It's just not fair to balance the game around the assumption that the majority of players are going to engage in a trading situation that is user unfriendly to the extreme and full of ripoff artists and scammers. The vast majority of arguments I've seen to the contrary are from those who are already fully committed to this existing system, warts and all. Their perspective can hardly be considered unbiased or even particularly useful when it comes to radical changes to the system. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.
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a quick d3 retrospective:
who would join a game which made rmt their business model? players who wanted to make money out of it. who would leave d3 before it removed the rmah? only players who failed to make money out of it. who would leave d3 after it removed the rmah? ssf averse players and those that got rich with the rmah. --- is it as simple as that? probably not. but was it desirable to get former d3 players into poe? well, no. you get all those players that still think an rmah is a good idea but they were just too stupid and players that want to win by trading. not blaming the players, blizzard is the one and should have gone bancrupt with the damage they've done to the player base. offline
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