What's with the bandwagon hate on shaped maps and sextants?
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I like shaped maps. If not for them,I wouldn't run my favourite maps all league. If I like a map thats below T10 I can shape it and run it for an entire league instead of only 1 time while levelling my first char. The problem I see is the placement of maps on the atlas. Why can you put 6-7 sextants on 1 map but only 1-2 on the other. That's what makes running the same map so much better imo. Also, maps without sextants feel mostly bad at the moment if they are not vaaled to 40+% packsize + edler/shaper.
Last edited by DiscoveryChannel#7419 on Jan 11, 2018, 5:36:51 AM
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I'm here sitting like
 I personally love sextants in current state...because I don't use them. I don't have time nor PC to handle Sextanted maps and Sextant blocking, so the more people use them, the more I can make by selling them. What would you choose? Promises of more wealth in the future by raising your chance of obtaining money, or simply selling the thing promising wealth for money right now? |
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" LOL You can't fucking accept the truth that's fucking funny and there not even friends there just forum people dude not a single of my friends posted in this thread. Nor are they my fan club at all. just because they disagree with you with rightful points more than myself doesn't make them part of a ''fanclub'' in fact most of them just don't like me. [Removed by Support] Dys an sohm Rohs an kyn Sahl djahs afah Mah morn narr Last edited by Blank_GGG#0000 on Jan 11, 2018, 7:39:55 AM
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" [Removed by Support] I'll give you some advice. Try some of the stuff you have been spouting in this topic and not just repeat it from some random streamer. Literally everything you say is, streamer this, streamer that. Do you even have experience of your own? I do, and it's not half as bad as you make it out to be. But fine. Next league there will be something else a streamer complains about. And then you can just follow whatever that person says like a sheep. Last edited by Blank_GGG#0000 on Jan 11, 2018, 7:40:59 AM
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" Your ignorance and disregard for how other players feel about sextants is the only astonishing fact here. You think you are right when almost all the replies inn the thread are against your view on the matter. People gave you super solid reasons why sextants are bad BUT YOU REFUSE to address even one in your replies. Instead you attack I_NO. [Removed by Support] So here is the reasons sextants need to go so you can ignore it again: "Sextants make completing your atlas and playing map variety maps a punishment. You literally lose drops and income IF YOU DO NOT USE THEM." "Sextants make people want to avoid completing a big part of the game content" My personal one: "Sextants make you happy so I want you to be sad because you are being an insensitive and ignorant bastard who care only about himself and not what is good for the game." "Never argue with an idiot. They will take you down to their level and beat you trough experience." Last edited by Blank_GGG#0000 on Jan 11, 2018, 7:53:35 AM
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" Dang got them good, people know little else about the "actual" game outside of the most effective tactic available across multiple leagues and the years. People dislike sextants because they are extremely cancerous to apply every 3 maps and lock you into one place for the rest of the league because literally nothing else comes close to it. Unlimited shaped strand had other less viable but still good options, while shaped vaults is like 3-5x better than any other alternative. It got to the point where people are wearing full MF gear speed running through t14 shaped vaults/fully sextants earning +30c a run. Last edited by RagnarokChu#4426 on Jan 11, 2018, 6:07:04 AM
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Fundamental problem with sextants is that, because they exist, we have to assume GGG balances drops around the assumption that you are using them. And they are tedious as hell to use well and just generally not a fun mechanic at all. So, if you find them annoying like most people and decide you don't want to use them you are essentially playing POE-lite. What GGG needs to do is put a maximum number of sextants you can have on the map at once to like 3, thus removing the tedium of sextant blocking and making sextants just fire and forget on your favorite maps, making the upkeep of them very small and trivial so everyone can use them without feeling like they are being wasted.
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" I already responded to exactly this. But for you I'll do it again. Sextants aren't limited to sextant blocking only. It gives you a small advantage at most. You get map diversity and you can chase elder when you don't pick 1 specific map. Completing the whole atlas isn't only punishing. And the more drops/income is more of a Vault specific problem. I saw no massive difference in income between running other shaped map vs running alot of different ones. Oh and please stop calling people elitists for having a different opinion. It's getting abit repetitive. I have no ran with sextants or a shaped atlas for the first 2 weeks this league, because I play whatever I feel like playing. And actually try stuff myself unlike some other people that copy whatever their favorite streamer claims. |
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" Idunno your claims to how sextants work is drastically different from data across multiple thousands of maps and thousands of other people playing PoE reporting in. People aren't complaining about sextants if you just randomly throw it on a map :V Last edited by RagnarokChu#4426 on Jan 11, 2018, 6:10:07 AM
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" I'll counter this with saying that shaping maps in and of itself is and has never been an issue. Shaping just allows manipulation of content around lay-out strategies or div cards to allow targeted farming. I don't see an issue with this because fundamentally lay-outs are not "good or bad" like most people perceive them. For some builds open maps are good, for others they suck balls and vice versa.(though truth be told some maps are bad for almost all types of build because they combine the two types, indoor/outdoor and are filled with mini ruble and stairs etc) So allowing atlas manipulation as in shaping maps in different tiers is not an issue because depending on build and targeted farm other things will be shaped.(also the new system allows for fast/easy unshaping + re-shaping which is really good) The sole issue currently are sextants. Since they are so efficient to utilize but only work on a few "good" maps. All maps that don't have good sextant positioning are basically out of the mapping pool for no good reason beyond that. GGG made all of this new content and added all of these atlas centered goodies (30+ new maps, shaper + elder fighting and positioning) and people just go "well fuck that, can't sextant and get rich from it, let some sucker explore that content and ruin his atlas" And if sextants in itself are not bad enough of an influence on the atlas even the devs are influenced by them and balance xp gains around them, while the system can hardly be expected to be mainstream. So for a lot of users without knowledge of them, mapping just feels like visiting a desert looking for an oasis. The sextant system is so complex i do not believe the devs have the manpower to balance it correctly every league around and or that is even feasible. In fact, i would say they demonstrated it is not when they "simply" added 32 new maps without a care in the world about relative positioning and sextant influence. If this is the case, then the correct move is to remove or overhaul it to a less impacting system soon, so they can rightfully ignore it for some time to come while focusing on other systems/implementations. The worst possible move on this would be to go the GGG route and leave it as is for the comming two years without ever addressing it. " Grow a pair. You countered no arguments yet and all you did was spout lie's in an attempt to undermine my arguments on previous pages which just makes you look sad in my opinion. Go formulate some actual logically deduced arguments based on the system itself instead of trying your hardest to attack the poster instead of the topic at hand at every single turn. Peace, -Boem- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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