Can we have an uber-urber lab?

Maybe even have some new unique uber-uber items that only drop in uber-uber?

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Turtledove wrote:

Maybe even have some new unique uber-uber items that only drop in uber-uber?

Great idea, I already have vision of a new item.

"Trollish rod"
teleport chosen (or random player) to maze like map full of traps. If player dies he must start over again (you can't leave this map by clossing the client).

Can i add your name to my "We <3 lab" list?

I'd play it! I was kind of glad, kind of disappointed that when my SSF Melee Witch ran Uber Lab for the very first time (yes, for those of you who saw my suggestion thread, she did in fact find the 6th trial after finding 21 trials that were not the 6th trial), Izaro was quite the joke to take down. Melted faster than Merciless Izaro on release. Then again, I suppose I should try 4-key runs on that character before I definitively complain about lack of challenge.

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Turtledove wrote:

Maybe even have some new unique uber-uber items that only drop in uber-uber?

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LaiTash wrote:

players who hate lab will not be forced to run it.

Yeesh, give a man a fish, and he remarks on how nobody will give him any fishes.

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Turtledove wrote:

Maybe even have some new unique uber-uber items that only drop in uber-uber?

I was making what I thought was a reasonable suggestion, sorry it seemed to derail the thread. The idea was that many farm Atziri for fun and to get the unique drops. I thought the uber-uber idea had a similar angle potential.

They would have rework the lab mechanics to make it feel like an uber version. Izaro would also have to gain something new, not just a number increase. Otherwise the ppl who want to run uber uber uber lab will still find it to easy to do. It's not so much that they nerfed/changed the lab. The lab is a static challenge, once you know how each preset room works.. it starts becoming easy. Izaro himself is pretty basic where he will attack a few times then wind up a bigger hit, he is very predictable.

Just increasing values isn't going to change how you perceive the lab itself. It would still be easy for those dedicated to running the lab.

A slight visual and mechanic change would be nice if we do get a 4th lab. I'm thinking much more broken down and decayed, plus player and outside area light levels are extremely limited (that way traps are made harder without over-complicating things).

- the Ephemeral Labyrinth?

Another idea is for there to be some sort of enemy/apparition pursuing the player that could appear whenever you enter a zone (except for the aspirant trials). It would have the player's base movement speed, but can't be killed and deals rapid, unmitigable damage. Would give some tension while you're doing traps and exploring the maze for secrets/rewards and also make it harder, more engaging and change up gameplay from the first 3 labs.

- Lore: maybe the tormented spirit of Weylin (the guy you see dead in the final aspirant trial room who was poisoned by Chitus so that Chitus could be the one to ascend)?.

I am against it. Not only a lot of players despise lab but making it endgame on level of uber atziri would mean that actually very few people would even go there. There are more important tasks to spend man-hours on.

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Bhaaly wrote:

I am against it. Not only a lot of players despise lab but making it endgame on level of uber atziri would mean that actually very few people would even go there. There are more important tasks to spend man-hours on.

How come more endgame content is not important enough?

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e1337donkey wrote:

They would have rework the lab mechanics to make it feel like an uber version. Izaro would also have to gain something new, not just a number increase. Otherwise the ppl who want to run uber uber uber lab will still find it to easy to do. It's not so much that they nerfed/changed the lab. The lab is a static challenge, once you know how each preset room works.. it starts becoming easy. Izaro himself is pretty basic where he will attack a few times then wind up a bigger hit, he is very predictable.

Just increasing values isn't going to change how you perceive the lab itself. It would still be easy for those dedicated to running the lab.

A few new mechanics and interactions would be welcomed, but an "Uber Uber Lab" should be for "Uber Lab" just what Uber Atziri is for Atziri, more chaos, more hecticism, and less room for error.

As I stated before, Izaro coule get "up to snuff" and become more unforgivable, and that is mostly a "number increase" coupled with the unexpected of a random run every try, and that would be enough of a challenge until better "balance" and a "true labyrinthic" feeling is implemented for the "Labyrinth"...

Why be proud of millions upon millions of DPS if you don't use them for anything else besides just for "skipping" every interesting mechanic and fight??? Let's put them to good use, shall we?

PS: In this "Uber Uber Lab", Izaro could be a touch more unpredictable, especially due to the increased speed...

Please guys, don't make other people's lives harder 🙏