How many shaper set have you wasted?

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Halagaz wrote:

Ok, in advance i'm very much triggered right now, i'm sorry if this turn into a rant, i'll do my best not to.

So the main goal of the post is to ask to anyone that farm shaper on daily basis, how much set did you wasted when you started, if you even have wasted any?

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GasmicGerbil wrote:

Shaper is fairly easy for a standard two-hand weapon, resolute-technique Slayer build (using Cyclone).

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Halagaz wrote:

The problem came mostly because of the balls chasing you and basically denying you any opportunity to dps as a melee since you have to travel from shaper to the outer of the map to trigger them, miss that and the place where he stand is covered with vortexes that stay all the phase long, have to wait for him to move, something he rarely do. So unless you have a team mate triggering the balls while you dps, a melee have a huge disadvantages. Well what is a real melee, some pseudo melee range skill like sander obviously don't mind him standing on vortexes.

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Halagaz wrote:

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GasmicGerbil wrote:

Shaper is fairly easy for a standard two-hand weapon, resolute-technique Slayer build (using Cyclone).

Well it was my first few set so clearly i had no experience, and watching video isn't going to give you an kind of real experience, it is just theoretical knowledge with little value in action. In any case my cyclone is meant as an aoe skill in my build, the adds from the portal, I had absolutely no problem crushing them, never had zana died, even when shaper decided to open the door on top of 3 vortexes...

The problem came mostly because of the balls chasing you and basically denying you any opportunity to dps as a melee since you have to travel from shaper to the outer of the map to trigger them, miss that and the place where he stand is covered with vortexes that stay all the phase long, have to wait for him to move, something he rarely do. So unless you have a team mate triggering the balls while you dps, a melee have a huge disadvantages. Well what is a real melee, some pseudo melee range skill like sander obviously don't mind him standing on vortexes.

@shaunika90

Dude i think i made it clear my experience in rpg is not from last night, the build i have dish out 400k+dps buffed, 150/180k unbuffed if you need numbers, i never planned in doing an epeen contest from this post, i was talking about game mechanism and how they are poorly though out for many bosses in the game, Shaper here is only a single example, but an example that cost you 2 month of grind to gather all the sets you need for the league, so wasting them in shitty mechanisms is basically GGG booting you out of the league, just like build nerfing to the ground at each new leagues is for many players. Those decision making are bad for their game and players. Players are complaining about anti melee mechanism since a long time, yet those mechanism were never much looked into by GGG (how many leagues needed for them to change volatile?), the way they handle melee is to boost their dps insanely with all those more gems and debuff (which my build have all), but this is a poor way to do it, while indirectly nerfing other builds (and hp boss boost is one of those means). As i said this is just poor design. What are good my 500%more melee dps if i can't stand next to the boss for a second, while ranged can dish out all their attacks all the time? they can just triggers balls and stand next to them, while as a melee i have to run back and forth like a headless chicken all the time... Once more my biggest error was to not use my Ed build i planned exactly for shaper, he have a 6L shav with empower, but this is the exact reason i post here, this kind of decision leading to you ruining your league shouldn't be a thing in an rpg game.

The funny part is that in the league i was thinking at last the game is heading toward a boss killing game, which is a direction i like as this is something i always wanted to do but as I said wasn't able to, well FML.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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Halagaz wrote:

The problem came mostly because of the balls chasing you and basically denying you any opportunity to dps as a melee since you have to travel from shaper to the outer of the map to trigger them, miss that and the place where he stand is covered with vortexes that stay all the phase long, have to wait for him to move, something he rarely do. So unless you have a team mate triggering the balls while you dps, a melee have a huge disadvantages. Well what is a real melee, some pseudo melee range skill like sander obviously don't mind him standing on vortexes.

For Slayer, vortex ball are irrelevant. I've got 3-4 stacked in one place, stood upon them and still took no damage. Chill must be negated with an item, i used

. This amulet is just a bit behind good rare stat-wise, but offers very useful chill immunity. So the only negative effect from vortex balls is slight DoT, that prevents Soul of Arakaali from triggering (if you're under blood rage), so facetanking trio-balls becames impossible for me, when standing on vortex.
So if you're Slayer, you must ignore vortexes, and dont waste your time on them. If you do, then you're doing something wrong, really.

Also, although i use Sunder, i always try to get close to him, because when i'm close, it's actually easier to dodge his skills, and he performs weak melee attacks when player is close, and you can just beat him when he does so.

As for repositioning - use his Teleport Slam. He always teleports to your position, so if you need to reposition him, use quicksilver (or movement skill) just when you him starting to use teleport slam, to select a better position for him.