The Illusion of Choice

U know u can make any classa melee and get the marauder nodes don't u? L2P

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JoannaDark wrote:

Thanks Zalm.

However, that kinda shows that this is possible only through a single piece of gear. Not really viable for *everyone*.

Anyways , thanks.

This is true, if you want a 10k hp. I don't think I could do without 2 5Ls or at least one. (I'm a combo player)

On topic, OP seems to be limiting himself on how to play. I think he just wants to play maps and HP pool. Well sir, some of us play with blocking and evasion too.

About the 90% non-viable builds: I agree to this, but only in Default and HC. I mean there is going to be a lot of leagues in the future (races, paid leagues, etc), I am pretty sure we could see the tree being used in a lot of different ways.

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ziggro wrote:

U know u can make any class a melee and get the marauder nodes don't u? L2P

But why would you?

Why make a melee duelist if you're going to pick up every starting node of the marauder tree? It makes no sense. Just make a marauder.

I like how people tell me I need to play more and not listen to forum trolls.

This is coming from personal experience making tons of new characters and builds. It's why I know that making anything else but what I listed is a waste of time.

You can stack evasion talents, but why. I have 95% avoidance without a single point into evasion.
You can stack every single armor talent, but why. I have 90% DR without a single armor point.

It's just a sad realization. That HP trumps everything. That ranged trumps melee. That for such a massive passive tree, it's really just a highway to the next HP/resist node.

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Zalm wrote:

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Vakirauta wrote:

I love how everyone disagreeing with OP is playing a Ranged build.. Thank you all for proving the OP right.

As I said earlier, and everyone agree, even GGG, the people who made this game agree, Melee is weak. We all know it, and we all hate it. GGG said in an interview somewhat recently that they would be changing somethings around for Melee to make it more viable for end game.

Now everyone supporting OP playing ranged isnt true...I've seen some posts on here about people who play successful melee builds...witches even.

The three current toons I'm playing are all Duelist... and only one is ranged. This is mostly because I'm hard-headed. There's a bunch of yapyap about Duelist suckage at this point so I naturally have to succeed with them.

I have a shabowmancer (see what I did there) in HC currently in act 3 merciless. People complaining about lack of builds are just rehashing what they read elsewhere. Skills WILL CHANGE and the tree WILL be reset. How many times do we need to drill this into your tiny malfunctioning brains?

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funshynebare wrote:

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ziggro wrote:

U know u can make any class a melee and get the marauder nodes don't u? L2P

But why would you?

Why make a melee duelist if you're going to pick up every starting node of the marauder tree? It makes no sense. Just make a marauder.

I like how people tell me I need to play more and not listen to forum trolls.

This is coming from personal experience making tons of new characters and builds. It's why I know that making anything else but what I listed is a waste of time.

You can stack evasion talents, but why. I have 95% avoidance without a single point into evasion.
You can stack every single armor talent, but why. I have 90% DR without a single armor point.

It's just a sad realization. That HP trumps everything. That ranged trumps melee. That for such a massive passive tree, it's really just a highway to the next HP/resist node.

OP Troll is back. Yes, you can stack certain nodes easily, and if you wanna make your char that way, then by all means, go for it. Thats whats great about this game. You can do what you want, while we dont have to follow you like a blind idiot. You can either build with gear, get all really great gear and build like that for defense, or build with skills, and make your char passively insane. Both have advantages, but both also have disadvantages.

And no HP doesnt trump everything...there are TONS of players who have outsmarted the system and dont stack HP like you. Just because you dont see the air moving, doesnt mean it isnt moving. And yes...right now Ranged is a bit more op than melee, and GGG has said they are working on it...diligently.

And you like to consider our lovely Forest of Passive nodes nothing more than a road to your next defensive stat, then play like that. Some people dont play like that and still win just as easily as you. But just because you dont see it doesnt mean its not happening. There are a lot of players in this game, and your just one. And your actually in a vocal minority.

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Halsinki wrote:

The three current toons I'm playing are all Duelist... and only one is ranged. This is mostly because I'm hard-headed. There's a bunch of yapyap about Duelist suckage at this point so I naturally have to succeed with them.

Same. Running a dual wield, a sword and board, and a bow duelist. I'm not in end game with any of them, but I'm enjoying them. And if I'm not playing them, I'm playing non-EK, non-CI, non-summoner Shadows.

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funshynebare wrote:

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ziggro wrote:

U know u can make any class a melee and get the marauder nodes don't u? L2P

Why make a melee duelist if you're going to pick up every starting node of the marauder tree? It makes no sense. Just make a marauder.

Many marauder builds also use most of starting trees of other classes. Does that mean we should stop using maruader too? You don't make much sense.

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pneuma wrote:

It wasn't like this in the past.
It won't be like this in the future.

Spoiler

Beta.

Thats right!.

Come back soon. :)

i do agree with the OP that the game despite the huge amount of choice isa bit limited on what will work past cruel, that being said since this is a beta i hope it will get fixed.

so far my biggest concern are:

lack of scaling: many things in this game dont have a good scaling, as a result stuff that are good early/mid games becomes obsolete as the game progess.


some nodes are just better than others, the "stack hp till it hurts and then stack more" is not a sensation of the moment is a reality based on several facts:

armor works in a way that only mitigates low amounts of dmg, the moment one gets hitted by a high dmg creature armor reduction becomes a joke, in the end defensive characters will find better protection by stacking endurance charges/spamming curses than stacking armor, chaos dmg just sealed the fate of armor as a main defensive mechanism.

evasion and block are a loterry, everything is fine till that hit that goes in and bang you are dead

ES gets destroyed by chaos dmg, only viable way here is to get sooner or later CI.

attack nodes do give a nice boost but they are not worthy if the cost is to get 1-2 shooted.

on top of this one can add that low hp builds are more likely to get elemental status such as shock or burning.

all in all hp offers the best of all, nothing ignores it, more ressistance to status and scale quite good.