Very unhappy with passive point transfer in standard

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fwd wrote:

GGG, please fix this.

As your Standard casual player I'm very disappointed with new quest implementation of this update.

Give players two options to choose for each character:

1. Either get ALL quests done and all SP rewards earned. Challenge league players who use Standard to test things will happy with that option.
2. Either get NONE of quests done. Casual players will choose this option and will play happily, enjoying new content and quests for Acts 5-10.

Now it's literally unplayable. I was hoping to come back into PoE to see new quests and story, but they are completely spoiled. I have no incentive or spare time to start new character or play challenge league. I just want to play my old character and do new content.

Some say, new storyline content has zero difficulty for high level character. But, first of all, I'm not playing this game for challenge, but for story; and second, when you run hundreds of Shaped Strands - they has zero difficulty as well, so whatever.

GGG, do something.

This. 100%. I'd pick option 2 myself, I really appreciate getting the story straight and carrying on where I left of.

I mean sure I might reroll a single character and play through from scratch, once, but boy I don't appreciate all my high level characters being broken by this horrible implementation.

Strip the passives so we have to play the act 5-10 quests, sure, but don't autocomplete the story for us. We don't know what's going on. The quest state is just broken. It's just a real shame, the expac looks awesome but I can't enjoy it like this.

Agree, this s... deeply...
lot of points missing, no idea where to begin, character unplayable, build broken with such a low passive points count.
Forced league play ? huh... just give us all the points with just the bandit to choice and direct us to the Gods quest.

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Tilveran wrote:

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fwd wrote:

GGG, please fix this.

As your Standard casual player I'm very disappointed with new quest implementation of this update.

Give players two options to choose for each character:

1. Either get ALL quests done and all SP rewards earned. Challenge league players who use Standard to test things will happy with that option.
2. Either get NONE of quests done. Casual players will choose this option and will play happily, enjoying new content and quests for Acts 5-10.

Now it's literally unplayable. I was hoping to come back into PoE to see new quests and story, but they are completely spoiled. I have no incentive or spare time to start new character or play challenge league. I just want to play my old character and do new content.

Some say, new storyline content has zero difficulty for high level character. But, first of all, I'm not playing this game for challenge, but for story; and second, when you run hundreds of Shaped Strands - they has zero difficulty as well, so whatever.

GGG, do something.

This. 100%. I'd pick option 2 myself, I really appreciate getting the story straight and carrying on where I left of.

I mean sure I might reroll a single character and play through from scratch, once, but boy I don't appreciate all my high level characters being broken by this horrible implementation.

Strip the passives so we have to play the act 5-10 quests, sure, but don't autocomplete the story for us. We don't know what's going on. The quest state is just broken. It's just a real shame, the expac looks awesome but I can't enjoy it like this.

+1 for option 2, we have to do all sideshits anyway, might as well be a part of general progression.
"but what about maps" - just put Zana in player's HO if she was at level 3+ in standard, now we can have all the lore, and those not interested in lore will still have their maps.

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__SirPuFFaLoT__ wrote:

This patch is awesome in it's content but the majority of that content is for league and new players, which I am fine with.

'League'/challenges is the main aim, indeed. Because that one's who already are addicted (or at least somewhat deep into the game) didnt have to get attracted - at least nmot in the same way as the (potential) new arriving exiles. ;)
And, as explained, this time it is a lot more difficult (or at least: more things to take into account) to adapt the 'new' game to the existing stuff/chars (and its even harder to adapt the legacy to the new game). Because: many people would be dissappointed too if they had any 'loss' on their previous progress.

My suggestion had be a way to deal better with that, but sometimes you cant suggest before you know how it's thought. And to me it's not such a big deal, because a) I have participated in beta (so I'm not so 'lost' on new stuff), b) have some chars in STD that have not reached map access yet (so, they have to go fully through to the final), c) just start new tryouts in Harbinger (so I can wait a while until bugs are sorted out) and d) are not so fixed on endgame: there is always something else I can do ;)

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fwd wrote:

GGG, please fix this.

I guess it may be too late...

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fwd wrote:

Give players two options to choose for each character:

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both not possible/viable. This expansion practically IS a new game, where you're old chars are plummed into, with their 'old' experience and progress (that is partially 'useless'/outdated within FoO), and you have to look how you now deal with it.
1) You're chars were never before gifted new quest rewards (it just wasn't noticable because there were no other 'reward' than progress for Vaal, Dominus and Malachai).
2) That would force you to do the new parts of the story prior to be able to going back to maps! Because you wont fit the requirements of 'solving' act 5 and 10. (These are the 'trials', compared to the labyrinth's req's)

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fwd wrote:

I'm not playing this game for challenge, but for story

Story extension cant be fully applied to existing chars, not without any 'losses' on them (which would frustrate a lot more players than the actual solution - even as it could hev done better indeed).

If you neither able/willing to deal with a new char for the new story (wich indeed have parts that are only accessible once/until you did specific quests that alter some areas irreversible(!)), nor to deal with the fast/'half' playthrough with an existing char, then you definitively have significant WRONG expectations here.

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__Z__ wrote:

lot of points missing

Just the 7 from the minor gods, if I'm right... shouldnt be such a big deal especially on the lower part of the new content...

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build broken with such a low passive points count.

a build that has already done/reached maps should not be broken just by missing even 10 passives, fighting (map-ready equipped) back in some 40-60 zones...

shit stuff like these and their treatment to standard is the reason why I have not buy outlaw supporter pack.

Standard league wasnt the same now vs 2.0 release.

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Mr_Cee wrote:

1) You're chars were never before gifted new quest rewards (it just wasn't noticable because there were no other 'reward' than progress for Vaal, Dominus and Malachai).

Except that is exactly what the auto-completion of the main quest does. You just go and collect all of the rewards.

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Mr_Cee wrote:

2) That would force you to do the new parts of the story prior to be able to going back to maps! Because you wont fit the requirements of 'solving' act 5 and 10. (These are the 'trials', compared to the labyrinth's req's)

And I think a lot of people would be willing to accept that compromise, at least on their first character run through the content. You might complain about people coming back from the leagues to test something on standard, but since they're already shoe horned into doing the content to collect passives anyway not that big of a deal to tack on a little more running.

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Mr_Cee wrote:

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fwd wrote:

I'm not playing this game for challenge, but for story

Story extension cant be fully applied to existing chars, not without any 'losses' on them (which would frustrate a lot more players than the actual solution - even as it could hev done better indeed).

Huh? You definitely lost me here. Characters are already losing their passives and have to go back and get them back if you were talking about their progress. If you were talking about deaths, this isn't a problem since you don't actually DIE anywhere in the new content. Also players that hadn't made it to maps were all dropped back down into act 4 regardless of actual progress, so it isn't like it couldn't be done.

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Mr_Cee wrote:

If you neither able/willing to deal with a new char for the new story (wich indeed have parts that are only accessible once/until you did specific quests that alter some areas irreversible(!)), nor to deal with the fast/'half' playthrough with an existing char, then you definitively have significant WRONG expectations here.

The expectation that we can play the content that GGG hyped up is the wrong expectation? Okay, I'll file that into /dev/null.

BUMP because GGG needs to give us another passives reset option. (I don't have a single clue as to why they decided to completely wipe it clean either, it's rage inducing.)

Ok here is what I did. I started a char on harbinger league. So far it's 12hours and I'm in the middle of act 8. NOW the story makes sense to me, and I will probably reset about 2 more of my chars in std because I dont care about spoiling story that much BUT I must admit some of these zones are not that easy when you have no waypoints and lose exactly hmm 23? passive points - so you will probably be required to put some of your points into useless str and dex and int you would not otherwise get from particular nodes.

TL;DR - if you want to know the story you must spend up to 18 hours in new league or use twink char in standard to cut the time.
If you want to get points back on your 12+ chars - GGG laughs at you