I'm tired of picking up orbs on the ground

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Imagine the real world in some distant future or something. Every single person gets a a small robot that cannot break down, cannot run out of energy, it will always be in top functioning shape and require no money to keep that way.

This machine passively collects elements from the air, ground, whatever, and will constantly pump out the equivalent of US pennies in compensation, say $1 per hour, as long as you are doing something "productive" (the definition of productive can be up to interpretation here, to be most accurate for analogy you would need to assume it means working in some capacity).

At the same time, the world economy is completely free market, there is no body regulating prices on anything, people are willing to charge whatever price they want for anything.

So every single person in the world passively gains currency and nothing states what sellers have to charge on consumer goods. So what do you see when you go into the store and look at purchasing a loaf of bread? A coloring book? A TV? What you are going to see is a digital sign on every single product everywhere, and the price on the digital signs is slowly increasing even as you stand there staring at it. Why not? Each (let's just assume the current 7.5 billion current world population) person on the planet gets $1 dollar an hour of productivity regardless of whatever other money they make outside of their little eternal robot. Even assuming "productivity" hours ranging from an hour to 8 hours a day, that is still $1-8 a day per person that just shows up out of nowhere with no effort on the person's behalf. Why not change the price of every single product on the planet per hour, per minute, per second to compensate? After all, that bread didn't just show up out of nowhere. In comparison, all the products being sold took quite some time to be developed and produced. And nobody is going to force those people to keep prices low, it is absolutely free market. And what reason do people buying the products have to complain, as long as prices remain at a healthy enough rate that most of the population can always buy what is needed at the time in general. Hell, people may be able to keep supporting those who can't be as productive if necessary, they don't need to but they can to some capacity depending on the rate of change the sellers dictate.

But in return, when everybody has something to sell, why wouldn't they too have an ever changing price? This becomes more true if the analogy is to be as transferable as possible - "productivity" is literally making something worth selling that you can personally sell for money. If everybody is making 1-8 dollars an hour, why wouldn't you keep upping the price of your own bread you made and want to sell? You have to pay other's prices that keep increasing, why wouldn't you want to do the same for what took you time to produce and eventually use the sale to buy your own things.

You can nitpick at smaller details however much you want but this analogy represents current PoE if auto looting of any kind in regards to even the smallest form of currency is allowed. There is nothing to regulate the fact that every player has the opportunity to passively loot currency while active if an auto-loot was suddenly enabled. And yes, having a buy in cost makes any auto loot pet idea pay to win because what happens to those in this alternative reality who can't afford whatever initial cost the robots have if any? They die as the price of fucking water and bread would go through the damn roof faster than they can even produce a single sellable object.

And no, passive money generation doesn't suddenly make the population of the world at large suddenly generous and help everybody survive and have a good life. Just look at crap that happens right now, particularly among billionaires of the world. Very few actively try to help others even when they have enough money to be set for life 100x over. Even less do absolutely everything possible to help as much as they can in any way they can to give their money away to help the unfortunate. And many of them are set for life in a way that they don't need to do anything, they just continuously gain some amount of money just for having set up the profitable x thing initially. You don't see players with stacks and stacks of mirrors doing daily donations. Usually, they are the ones controlling the prices and living at the top of the world in PoE, hoarding their years of wealth so they are able to afford anything they want on the fly. Because there is nobody to tell them not to.

So go ahead and beg for auto-pickup. But don't be shocked if the game would change massively to compensate, drop rates gutted to the absolute floor and so on. And if the game doesn't change to compensate, have fun watching Kaom's Heart rise an ex in price on the daily and have no upper limit. Have fun paying 20ex for a white ilvl84 crafting base within weeks.

You can change the auto pickup to even be only scrolls or only get scroll fragments in exchange for each scroll picked up. It doesn't stop it, it only slows down the rate of change.

(I might have missed something since I just woke up and started pounding this out but the central idea is all there. Nitpick what you want, doesn't change the foundation of the concept.)

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

Home from work so here you go: copy pasted but I'm never gonna retype this out again after I did the second time:

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Imagine the real world in some distant future or something. Every single person gets a a small robot that cannot break down, cannot run out of energy, it will always be in top functioning shape and require no money to keep that way.

This machine passively collects elements from the air, ground, whatever, and will constantly pump out the equivalent of US pennies in compensation, say $1 per hour, as long as you are doing something "productive" (the definition of productive can be up to interpretation here, to be most accurate for analogy you would need to assume it means working in some capacity).

At the same time, the world economy is completely free market, there is no body regulating prices on anything, people are willing to charge whatever price they want for anything.

So every single person in the world passively gains currency and nothing states what sellers have to charge on consumer goods. So what do you see when you go into the store and look at purchasing a loaf of bread? A coloring book? A TV? What you are going to see is a digital sign on every single product everywhere, and the price on the digital signs is slowly increasing even as you stand there staring at it. Why not? Each (let's just assume the current 7.5 billion current world population) person on the planet gets $1 dollar an hour of productivity regardless of whatever other money they make outside of their little eternal robot. Even assuming "productivity" hours ranging from an hour to 8 hours a day, that is still $1-8 a day per person that just shows up out of nowhere with no effort on the person's behalf. Why not change the price of every single product on the planet per hour, per minute, per second to compensate? After all, that bread didn't just show up out of nowhere. In comparison, all the products being sold took quite some time to be developed and produced. And nobody is going to force those people to keep prices low, it is absolutely free market. And what reason do people buying the products have to complain, as long as prices remain at a healthy enough rate that most of the population can always buy what is needed at the time in general. Hell, people may be able to keep supporting those who can't be as productive if necessary, they don't need to but they can to some capacity depending on the rate of change the sellers dictate.

But in return, when everybody has something to sell, why wouldn't they too have an ever changing price? This becomes more true if the analogy is to be as transferable as possible - "productivity" is literally making something worth selling that you can personally sell for money. If everybody is making 1-8 dollars an hour, why wouldn't you keep upping the price of your own bread you made and want to sell? You have to pay other's prices that keep increasing, why wouldn't you want to do the same for what took you time to produce and eventually use the sale to buy your own things.

You can nitpick at smaller details however much you want but this analogy represents current PoE if auto looting of any kind in regards to even the smallest form of currency is allowed. There is nothing to regulate the fact that every player has the opportunity to passively loot currency while active if an auto-loot was suddenly enabled. And yes, having a buy in cost makes any auto loot pet idea pay to win because what happens to those in this alternative reality who can't afford whatever initial cost the robots have if any? They die as the price of fucking water and bread would go through the damn roof faster than they can even produce a single sellable object.

And no, passive money generation doesn't suddenly make the population of the world at large suddenly generous and help everybody survive and have a good life. Just look at crap that happens right now, particularly among billionaires of the world. Very few actively try to help others even when they have enough money to be set for life 100x over. Even less do absolutely everything possible to help as much as they can in any way they can to give their money away to help the unfortunate. And many of them are set for life in a way that they don't need to do anything, they just continuously gain some amount of money just for having set up the profitable x thing initially. You don't see players with stacks and stacks of mirrors doing daily donations. Usually, they are the ones controlling the prices and living at the top of the world in PoE, hoarding their years of wealth so they are able to afford anything they want on the fly. Because there is nobody to tell them not to.

So go ahead and beg for auto-pickup. But don't be shocked if the game would change massively to compensate, drop rates gutted to the absolute floor and so on. And if the game doesn't change to compensate, have fun watching Kaom's Heart rise an ex in price on the daily and have no upper limit. Have fun paying 20ex for a white ilvl84 crafting base within weeks.

You can change the auto pickup to even be only scrolls or only get scroll fragments in exchange for each scroll picked up. It doesn't stop it, it only slows down the rate of change.

(I might have missed something since I just woke up and started pounding this out but the central idea is all there. Nitpick what you want, doesn't change the foundation of the concept.)

And I see some people arguing a "pick up similar currency with one click " idea. Just take my example and instead of infinite producing robots, just make it so that every $1 somebody makes, they make 10 instead. Regardless of their occupation.

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The_Risen wrote:

lmao, and the WORLD WOULD END TOMORROWWWWWW BEWAREEE

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Lord_Inquisitor wrote:

while the idea is neatr for QoL, picking individual currencies satisfy my lootwhore urgesand my greed when it comes to games with economies.

if GGG wanted to make things simple for players, the game wouldn't be as hardcore as it is right now and thus the game would lose a lot of its charm