Let's discuss the life vs ES manifesto (keep it civil guys, we are just nerds)

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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_Tiem wrote:

In true GGG fashion, to fix the problem they nerfed the fack outta ES. Worse, they balanced it to levels most people will never attain. 25K ES? Maybe if you have 10 mirrors worth of gear. 9K Life? Where? Even with nearly every life node AND Belly you can't get that. So they are balancing around Kaom's?

Just clueless changes that show they a) have still no clue how design a game and b) are completely out of touch with what they have made, I feel like Rory tunes into Ziz and Mathil's stream, takes some notes and then goes back with a mindset to make change.

No, you are the one who has no clue. 11k+ HP is possible with a Belly (read my signature, mate). With Kaom's you can push 13k+. With legacy Kaom's it's 16k+.

7k HP is about the average for each melee build I craft. Even my latest melee build has 7k+ HP with Belly and it can do Shaper. It's a design choice you make when you craft a build.

You might be looking at it like "230k DPS, 7k HP. Hmm. 260k DPS, 5k HP. Eh, 260k DPS it is.", whereas I would be like "230k DPS it is."

The difference here lies in your priorities.

15k ES builds are easily possible. On top of that you have enough damage and most likely Chaos immunity. Doesn't require the most expensive of gear.

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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bhavv wrote:

Profane Chemistry and Herbalism exist for a reason, as does the doedres flask that gives you 75% of your health back.

You can easily reach over 10k instant life regen with normal flasks, far more that you will ever have max HP.

That's flask meta. Completely different ball game that needs a seperate addressing asap. I for one say they should finally start implementing ES flasks to balance things.

But we were comparing Life vs ES and not flask meta. So, stop derailing.

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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bhavv wrote:

And flasks take less than 1 second to refill your life, still stronger than ES.

If ES didnt start recharging that fast, how would you expect ES characters to survive?

Uhm...

* Run away

* Dodge

* Hide

You know, the thing that sensible people do when they intend not to die. Not even Life builds with flasks can sustain over longer periods of time.

Flasks have charges. ES recharges as long as you don't take damage. Which means that you can finish a fight or something like lab with ES easier than you ever could with a Life build that has no regen.

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

And the list goes on. The fact that I even have to explain this to you just shows that you are playing a totally different game.

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InAshesTheyShallReap wrote:

from 8k es to 5k and no leech anymore

from running only t16 ill probably end running t3-t5 maps with my mirrored gear

reflect maps will be impossible to do

stunned all the time, no block or evasion

i imagine burning ground will be more dangerous than minotaur with 100% monster life+enfeeble

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

You encounter a mob that kills you? I mean, seriously, what do you want? Immortality?

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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bhavv wrote:

The fact that you need to selectively slot a limited number of those and can still get fucked over by a random mob that had another such pinning effect says enough that not every encounter can simply be dodged or escaped.

Yeah, that's called life. Not everything is predictable. If you want the outcome to be more predictable, maybe you should start playing board games.

Playing video games is a bit different as it's an active, changing environment that you have to adapt to.

You encounter a mob that kills you? I mean, seriously, what do you want? Immortality?

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bhavv wrote:

Sorry but I cant think of a single other video game as unforgiving as this one.