Development Manifesto: Energy Shield and Life

I don't think GGG actually understood where the problem is. It's in the utter fucking bullshit 1-shots. THAT's why ES was better than HP. With VP you could insta-leech to max regardless of HP or CI. But the sheer amount of EHP that CI builds offered was the buffer that could keep them alive against volatiles for example. Life will get a little better with the extra hp mod on gear, but not by that much. Maybe what, max 1k hp with top-tier rares? Still into 1-shot territory.

If you're planning on nerfing max ES into the ground AND removing the ability to insta-leech with VP, then I serioulsy hope you're going to address the 1-shot potential that some rares/bosses have in this game. Life will get a little better
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MackBesmirch wrote:
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Astealoth wrote:
I think vaal pact nerf is justified, but I think an extremely draconian ghost reaver nerf would be too much. Vaal pact is completely outrageously powerful, but ghost reaver by itself as is feels pretty middle of the road. I played my ES char this league without VP for several weeks and the absolute insane unlimited power just isn't there. I would like to see build diversity increased, not just totally tipped to the other side. I am coming at this from the perspective of a 4 year life build loyalist who's only made 2 ES builds and played them firmly as alts.


Agree...

I never had the currency or the play time to invest into a top tier ES build. Even after 3 years saving up for a Shav's in standard, I still only have 6k ES... which with the current Ghost Reaver/Vaal Pact is playable.

The 25k CI builds? How many players really actually manage that? I must be missing something or just being far too conservative in my spending/crafting. I have always assumed those top tier ES based builds were only for the top tier players.

I am curious to see if the nerfs actually nerf the top tier builds much at all... comparatively speaking. I mean, yeah, with less overall ES and without the insta-leech of Vaal Pact, gameplay will be different, but I think the best players are still going to dominate.


3 years?
I enjoy the feedback under the manifesto, seeing people who's highest level is 50 or 70 and saying how the way GiGiGi doing balance for end game is wrong.

Not sure how the Vaal Pact changes will pay out, but the rest seems interesting enough to shuffle the cards around char building.
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americanpie wrote:
i could agree with vp and gr changes. and maybe a small reduction of es here and there but a 33% reduction basically across the board??? why not just buff life a little? this will make ci/ll literally only for the 1% who can afford the best of the best es gear as someone who plays all styles life/ll/ci this is an absolute nuke for the portion of the community who cant afford mirror worthy es gear in every slot

I couldn't agree more.
Wow, on a first glance it sounds like ES is getting utterly destroyed...

Many of the nerfs are justified, don't know about the Ghost Reaver one tho. I fail to see how that without VP has OP-potential.
Also removing the ES-Multiplier node from CI seems a bit over the top taking into consideration that all your gear has about 33% less ES now already. But we will see soon how it will play out in total numbers.

Really like the changes to master crafting tho. Crafting flat ES on anything always felt so useless. Also having %ES on rings was very strong if you had a big ES base. Well, time to craft your rings before it hits I guess.

Also: Holy shit, I even had to read the TL;DR in the melody :D Nice work Rory, Prince of Bel Wraeclast.
IGN: Kyrell
I'm a hardcore player so I can only say how this will affect me and other hardcore players.

This seems extremely harsh, I'm not sure if nerfing every single aspect of ES and the keystones at once is a good idea. When you see ES builds trivialise content, what you're actually seeing is VAAL PACT trivialising content. The combination of vaal pact, flasks, and very high damage output is OP. I'd make only the vaal pact change and see how things pan out before going ham and nerfing everything into the ground. This change alone should be enough to turn the whole meta on it's head. People dealing reflectable damage will have to go with life-based builds. People won't be able to press 1-2-3-4-5 and face-tank bosses, they'll have to dodge stuff and encounters will become much more challenging.

I'd also take a look at capping the damage from volatiles, was one of the major reasons that the meta moved away from life-based in the first place


Last edited by Anooose on May 18, 2017, 5:15:02 AM
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Rory wrote:
For your benefit:
TLDR:

Now this is a story all about how
ES got nerfed right into the ground
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I made our Int defences totally fair

At the top of the tree, it was nerfed and raised
On niche builds was where it spent most of its days
Not for min-maxin', just trying to be cool
If you didn't like life, CI was your tool
'Til Vaal Pact and GR let it put life to shame
Started making trouble in the metagame
It cakewalked the fights and the team got scared
We said, "You're getting a big rework 'til the meta's repaired."

I ground down the values on all of the gear
Had to buff some base types to keep it all fair
All to nerf what you could get from the best rare
Then I whipped up new life mods
That all armour could share

We dialed down some keystones, giving them all a flaw
We tweaked crafted mods and we added some more
So that's all the changes
But don't you be a hater
You'll try it all out and we'll tweak it in Beta



MC_Rory
Last edited by Simplexity99 on May 18, 2017, 5:37:59 AM
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Rory wrote:
For your benefit:
TLDR:

Now this is a story all about how
ES got nerfed right into the ground
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I made our Int defences totally fair

At the top of the tree, it was nerfed and raised
On niche builds was where it spent most of its days
Not for min-maxin', just trying to be cool
If you didn't like life, CI was your tool
'Til Vaal Pact and GR let it put life to shame
Started making trouble in the metagame
It cakewalked the fights and the team got scared
We said, "You're getting a big rework 'til the meta's repaired."

I ground down the values on all of the gear
Had to buff some base types to keep it all fair
All to nerf what you could get from the best rare
Then I whipped up new life mods
That all armour could share

We dialed down some keystones, giving them all a flaw
We tweaked crafted mods and we added some more
So that's all the changes
But don't you be a hater
You'll try it all out and we'll tweak it in Beta

That was BY FAR the most entertaining TLDR version I've seen in my life! ;O)
Well played Sir!
German saying: Schönheit und Funktionalität in Sekundenschnelle zu ruinieren, ist dem wahren Dilettanten keine Herausforderung!
torturo: "Though, I'm really concerned, knowing by practice the capabilities of the balance team."
top2000: "let me bend your rear for a moment exile"
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Anooose wrote:

This seems extremely harsh, I'm not sure if nerfing every single aspect of ES and the keystones at once is a good idea. When you see ES builds trivialise content, what you're actually seeing is VAAL PACT trivialising content.

Do you know that there are builds with up to 80k es? I mean 80.000 ES, really? There is a guy with "only" 28k ES that is able to facetank Shaper without any leech just from a solid 8-12k regen - therefore NO it's not only vaal pact it's ES thanks to insanely high "HP"-pool numbers!

German saying: Schönheit und Funktionalität in Sekundenschnelle zu ruinieren, ist dem wahren Dilettanten keine Herausforderung!
torturo: "Though, I'm really concerned, knowing by practice the capabilities of the balance team."
top2000: "let me bend your rear for a moment exile"
This is not balance... its the definition of nerf!

To bad the game becomes so restrictive and liniar.Something like... you dont play the way you like and the way we like... bad...


I think some people will use the "M" MORE LESS if this go live...

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