Development Manifesto: Changes to the Labyrinth

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Huh? I swear there were like 10 times more pages so what happened? Why delete so many posts??

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dinobin wrote:

I also think that the Lab has some issues. Especially in harder difficulties it serves more the top-tier/meta players. What really shows that there is something wrong with the lab are party-offerings like:
-"Merc Lab carry 3c"
-"Uber lab - your offering, my loot"
etc.
For me this shows, that people are even willing to pay someone just to get their ascendency points. I think (and hope) that GGG had not that in mind when they designed the Lab.

A few ideas that - in my opinion - would ease the tension around the labs.

1. Make all the labs easier, shorter, especially in the harder difficulties.
Or just remove the hardcore aspect - like as with maps, you can have 6 portals, you can die 6 times.

2. Leave all the labs as they are, but the first 2 labs should reward ascendency points (like 4-4) and the last 2 should give the ability to enchant.
This way people who dislike the lab could get their passives early and can shop their helms/boots later without the lab. Hardcore/meta/uber-lab-liking players can get the enchants and make some profit for their efforts. (If then enchanted item prices rise, more people will do harder labs - the market it will get even, but will still reward those who do the hard labs)

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Devonor wrote:

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Nicksiren wrote:

Disappointing to hear. Repeating the lab 4 times is incredibly boring when you've already played 30+ characters considering it's forced content. This is a bad decision.

Yes, it really is a bad decision. The community is also on its way of becoming split in 2 ( feels like ). This also creates more hostile community towards each other ( it's already hostile and toxic enough imo by far ). Why not come up with a solution that both parts can live with and try to unite us ggg? Seriously !!!

I have stopped spending dollars on this game, I know I am not the only one lol. It's a reason for this. As long as ggg do stupid unnecessary decisions and slowly destroy this game I am not spending money, simple.
I have been hoping that ggg would grow to become a big company. Big as in one of the biggest game companies in the world, its great developers in ggg, what a shame. I believe this company could make many good games just like Blizzard for example. The lab, for example, could be an own game, it's a great concept if it was just that another game.

I think "the haters" are in majority, probably like 70/30 ish but realistically more like 80/20. Most players don't bother reading or/and voice their opinions in the forums, twitter etc and just plays the game and when it becomes shit they just leave. My impression of what the players i have been talking to think about the lab and wants for the game.

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Archwizard wrote:

People are willing to pay others to do/get a shitload of stuff for them in the game. Should Shaper be made easier to get to since people are willing to pay for Shaper kills/loot? What about challenges, those get bought all the time. People pay to get speed-run through the game until they hit maps, should they be allowed to just instant-create level 65 characters?

Point here is you seem to be engaging in some faulty logic.

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Archwizard wrote:

Third, have you ever even looked at poe.trade for prices of certain enchants? They can be very lucrative and there are many people that run the lab just to farm them.